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DS9 on blu ray?

Somewhere upthread, someone suggested that some pressings of TOS S2 on BD have Trials and Tribble-ations in HD and some have it in SD. I finally got around to watching it again the other day, and the player indicated that it was in 1080i. However, it was clearly up-scaled crud. That's what the whole series would look like if they did an up-scale blu ray release. No, thanks. :thumbdown:

With the BBC you have to remember that a number of shows that were produced for them since the 1950's have been produced on 16mm film, which the BBC has, in the past 5 years, declared as a SD-only format.

Interesting. The Acorn blu ray releases of ITV's "Poirot" look outstanding, and it was shot on 16mm.

I wonder if CBS would consider a Kickstarter campaign? I'd happily pledge a few hundred bucks for a Blu-ray set.

Established companies seem to be against this method of raising capital.

Kor
 
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Established companies seem to be against this method of raising capital.

Kor
That's too bad. It might give them an idea of how many fans would buy their product.

Hopefully Discovery will be a big hit and everything Trek will get a bump in sales. Maybe then CBS would reconsider remastering it?
 
Interesting. The Acorn blu ray releases of ITV's "Poirot" look outstanding, and it was shot on 16mm.

BBC Worldwide released Doctor Who's 'Spearhead from Space' on blu-ray, which was also entirely 16mm.

Conversely they've also released blu-rays of upscaled SD video material, whilst there are plenty of native HD and filmed series which have not been granted blu-rays.

Basically anything the BBC do is without rhyme or reason, it's entirely dependent on what they think will sell. They haven't declared 16mm entirely off-limits to my knowledge.

I think the confusion here is that a lot of BBC series were made with 16mm film for location footage, and 2" quad VT for studio recording. These were combined on a master tape, which is inherently SD only. And to top it off, a lot of older SD tapes were junked, especially anything from before the mid-seventies, so they only exist as 16mm telerecordings. These are not HD, they are simply recordings of SD tapes, and as such are poorer quality than the native SD master. Where the original location footage survives it's possible to restore these in higher quality, but there aren't many examples of this.
 
I wonder if CBS would consider a Kickstarter campaign? I'd happily pledge a few hundred bucks for a Blu-ray set.

It's just crazy enough to work! Just kidding, it's not crazy. And I'd HAPPILY contribute to a DS9 blu-ray release. I just ordered TNG on blu-ray so I'm already foaming at the mouth awaiting it's arrival. If DS9 was on blu-ray, and I was able to see all those incredible Dominion War battles, I could die happy.
 
The word is (not) given, Admiral. From Trekcore:
http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/09/inside-the-new-trek-50-blu-ray-box-set-with-roger-lay-jr/

And of course there is discussion of the thread topic:
TREKCORE: Well, we have one last question for you – the one we’re always asked – what’s the status of Deep Space Nine and Voyager?

LAY: Everyone wants to do it – there’s not a person involved in these projects that doesn’t want to jump in on Deep Space Nine. We talk about it all the time, but there has to be a market supporting the expense. The reality is that it’s a business, and it’s getting more and more expensive to do these things.

What I always say is that the best way to show support is to buy the Blu-rays we’ve put out. I know it’s expensive sometimes, but then I go, “Well, why would someone want us to put out DS9 on Blu-ray if they’re not even buying the other things we’ve produced?” It’s a kind of a Catch-22.

It’s not like people have forgotten about it; Deep Space Nine comes up all the time. Is there something fans can do? Yes. If you show support for all of the content – and remember, CBS hasn’t just been putting out the episodes barebones on Blu-ray, they’ve spent a great deal of time and money to give fans the definitive experience of Next Generation and Enterprise with tons of newly-produced content for each collection.

We love DS9, but it’s expensive, and it takes time, and these things have to generate a return – and I’m sure CBS would love to get to a point where the entire Star Trek episodic library is available in glorious HD, but it’s all dictated by the marketplace. So if fans keep showing their support by picking up the amazing content already available, that’s the first step.

DS9 is a dream project; it’s my favorite of the modern-era Trek shows. I know Mike and Denise Okuda really like that show, and they have great memories of the time they spent working on it – so it would be fantastic for them, too, to get to revisit it and get together with old friends for those special features.

But as our friend Mr. Spock said, “There are always possibilities.”

TREKCORE: So keep hope alive?

LAY: Absolutely, there’s no reason not to – but buy some Blu-rays, too!
(some emphasis mine)

Roger Lay Jr. can of course be found on Twitter at https://twitter.com/rogerlayjr1980 ;)
 
BBC Worldwide released Doctor Who's 'Spearhead from Space' on blu-ray, which was also entirely 16mm.

Conversely they've also released blu-rays of upscaled SD video material, whilst there are plenty of native HD and filmed series which have not been granted blu-rays.

Basically anything the BBC do is without rhyme or reason, it's entirely dependent on what they think will sell. They haven't declared 16mm entirely off-limits to my knowledge.

I think the confusion here is that a lot of BBC series were made with 16mm film for location footage, and 2" quad VT for studio recording. These were combined on a master tape, which is inherently SD only. And to top it off, a lot of older SD tapes were junked, especially anything from before the mid-seventies, so they only exist as 16mm telerecordings. These are not HD, they are simply recordings of SD tapes, and as such are poorer quality than the native SD master. Where the original location footage survives it's possible to restore these in higher quality, but there aren't many examples of this.

With the BBC I know that a lot of shows made in the 80's and 90's and even early-2000's that were shot and edited on 16mm, in the early-2000's were considered HD-ready, but since about 2010 the BBC has reversed its decision and classed them as SD-only, so if you're a producer producing a documentary for them, even if you get a 1080p scan of the original 16mm film to integrate into your documentary, the BBC considers it SD-material, and limits you on the amount you can use, as they feel there is not enough resolution in 16mm film.

But other companies don't tend consider 16mm as HD quality either, but at the same time others do do 1080p scans. I know that people keep hoping that the Young Indiana Jones TV series will come to Blu-Ray, but since the show was shot on 16mm and the remastered movie versions were done on 16mm, the 480p DVD's that we currently have are probably the best we'll get.
 
The word is (not) given, Admiral. From Trekcore:
http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/09/inside-the-new-trek-50-blu-ray-box-set-with-roger-lay-jr/

And of course there is discussion of the thread topic:
(some emphasis mine)

Roger Lay Jr. can of course be found on Twitter at https://twitter.com/rogerlayjr1980 ;)
Thanks.

We love DS9, but it’s expensive, and it takes time, and these things have to generate a return – and I’m sure CBS would love to get to a point where the entire Star Trek episodic library is available in glorious HD, but it’s all dictated by the marketplace. So if fans keep showing their support by picking up the amazing content already available, that’s the first step.

DS9 is a dream project; it’s my favorite of the modern-era Trek shows. I know Mike and Denise Okuda really like that show, and they have great memories of the time they spent working on it – so it would be fantastic for them, too, to get to revisit it and get together with old friends for those special features.

But as our friend Mr. Spock said, “There are always possibilities.”

This is why I don't like when people say "it's never ever never going to happen". Keep saying it if it makes you feel better, there's definitely a real possibility we'll never see DS9 in full HD, but it really doesn't help anyone at all saying "never".
 
With the BBC I know that a lot of shows made in the 80's and 90's and even early-2000's that were shot and edited on 16mm, in the early-2000's were considered HD-ready, but since about 2010 the BBC has reversed its decision and classed them as SD-only, so if you're a producer producing a documentary for them, even if you get a 1080p scan of the original 16mm film to integrate into your documentary, the BBC considers it SD-material, and limits you on the amount you can use, as they feel there is not enough resolution in 16mm film.

But other companies don't tend consider 16mm as HD quality either, but at the same time others do do 1080p scans. I know that people keep hoping that the Young Indiana Jones TV series will come to Blu-Ray, but since the show was shot on 16mm and the remastered movie versions were done on 16mm, the 480p DVD's that we currently have are probably the best we'll get.
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre was filmed 40 years ago on 16mm film stock, yet it's capable of standing up to a 4K master and 1080p release.

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16mm is never going to look like a brand new movie shot on RED or some other top end digital platform, or even a modern 35mm film, but it can still do a lot better than 480/576i.
 
a digital conversion from 16mm O-NEG would look great in HD, but if all you have are the broadcast reels it's going to suffer. Every generation of film removed from the camera you're going to see a degredation, especially with older shows.
 
The word is (not) given, Admiral. From Trekcore:
http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/09/inside-the-new-trek-50-blu-ray-box-set-with-roger-lay-jr/

And of course there is discussion of the thread topic:
(some emphasis mine)

Roger Lay Jr. can of course be found on Twitter at https://twitter.com/rogerlayjr1980 ;)

Personally I would be fine with a bare bones HD upgrade. The special features and cast reunions on TNG and ENT were great but not the reason I bought them.

I'm still holding out hope that Discovery will be enough of a success for CBS to to decide to upgrade the whole Trek catalogue.

One thing Lay said that doesn't sit well with me. He talks about if fans aren't buying the blu-rays they are putting out then why would they buy DS9? The problem is they keep re-releasing the same material over and over again. I'm not rushing to go out and buy a new set of TOS or the movies because there are a few new special features. I would hands down spend the money for DS9 on HD because it would be something that hasn't been released in HD before.
 
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The problem is they keep re-releasing the same material over and over again. I'm not rushing to go out and buy a new set of TOS or the movies because there are a few new special features. I would hands down spend the money for DS9 on HD because it would be something that hasn't been released in HD before.

I think this is a combination of the catch-22 he talked about, and the way the retail industry currently operates. Apparently there's the idea that if the packaging isn't different for items year to year that people will bypass it on the shelf. I'm more than sure the endless parade of re-releases is not aimed at people that already own the stuff, but at people that have never owned a bit of it before.
 
I believe (IMO) that it could be crazy if they (the brains on the network) expect to generate tons of money at one shot. Star Trek is one of the most living franchises ever, and it have a lot of years ahead.
So.... why not to have a HD catalogue to re-edit the Trek series further in time??? I mean, we need (we buy it?) ALL the releases at once???
I think that they could release a first edition; ten years later, another edition, and so on and on....
I think that this could be seen like an investment... but, in the future they already have the HD material to put in discs, drives, etc... whatever media will appear at the time.
 
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