TNG movie dislike?

[locutus101]

Aside from First Contact, the films are just average.

Generations certainly starts promisingly but then tanks in the final act.

Insurrection is just bland, repackaged Prime Directive fluff, framed with dodgy humour, and thus is my least favourite.

Nemesis was aiming for better things but ultimately was executed in a strange manner. The editing could have been much better.

Having said all that I still watched them all again this year. They all have good bits in them.

I watch them all too but it's only because I am a completist.

 

[Lance]

STFC is very good, but possibly only the 7th or 8th best Borg story. It could have been much better. The battle at the beginning was the setup of most of the first few Tv episodes! It was short and underwhelming and framed like a TV show.

I actually thought this on a rewatch the other day. I remember being supremely impressed with it at the cinema (maybe it needs a BIG screen?) but on home video it feels distinctly overwhelming, and over way too soon. The biggest problem is that the Enterprise is setup to join the battle in media res, when maybe they would have been best advised to have her there from the start and make the battle bigger. Having Picard ride in on his white horse and save the day is cool, but it's all over far too quickly.

 

[2takesfrakes]

I find space battles to be incredibly boring. They're always too long. It was probably a budgetary reason, for keeping it short and sweet in FC, but I would hope that it was at, at least partly, a creative decision, as well. As sparce as the effects were in TWoK, even, the Mutara Nebula sequence is at least 5 minutes too long. Leave the audience wanting more ... that's the way to do it.

 

[locutus101]

I find space battles to be incredibly boring. They're always too long. It was probably a budgetary reason, for keeping it short and sweet in FC, but I would hope that it was at, at least partly, a creative decision, as well. As sparce as the effects were in TWoK, even, the Mutara Nebula sequence is at least 5 minutes too long. Leave the audience wanting more ... that's the way to do it.

Ironically, space battles are likely the most expensive parts in a movie.

 

[OtherGene]

I'm planning on watching First Contact tonight as a sort of early 20th Anniversary thing. It's been a while since I've watched the whole thing, I've watched parts when it's appeared on television, so I'm looking forward to it.

For a long time it was my favourite movie before I started getting sentimental about Generations or enjoying chilling out with The Motion Picture (is that my age?) so I'm interested in seeing how I feel about it now.

 

[NigellaDeanna20]

For me, I loved the TNG movies. But I think that the problem they had with them was the fact that they had done so many great stories in the series that perhaps the creativity was beginning to wane a little bit at this point.
I liked Generations. It had a good mix of the old (the three TOS characters, Kirk, Scotty and Chekov) and the new (the TNG cast). Will admit that I didn't like seeing either Kirk's death or the Enterprise-D destroyed (that was in all honesty, just stupid and not really necessary IMO).
First Contact, I have to agree was the best of the TNG movies. I really enjoyed it from start to finish particularly Picard's Captain Ahab moment where he completely lost it when told that he should blow up the ship to stop the Borg.
Insurrection was a very good morality story about what can happen when people interfere in the affairs of others even with the best of intentions.
Nemesis wasn't bad but it was one of those movies that could have been so much better.

The TNG movies aren't perfect I will admit but they do have their moments

 

[Lance]

I definitely think there was a drain. That the guys in charge were basically running three TV shows and gearing up to move one of them to the movie screen was a factor. That Generations was released within months (rather than years) of the end of the TV show, and that they started filming while the TV show was still wrapping, must have also contributed to it's lack of quality control. Maybe if there had been more of a gap they'd have had time to come up with something better, but I can also understand them wanting to strike while the iron was still hot. I think that was the wrong decision.

I also think another reason the TNG movies (generally) were a bit of a stiff is because suddenly the movies and TV shows were all under one banner, being produced by one team. Previously the TV shows and movies had been produced by different teams for each other, but with Generations suddenly we had the TV guys doing the movies as well as continuing to oversee the TV shows. That must have spread the talent pretty thin across the production. Everybody was obviously feeling tired.

Mistakes were definitely made.

 

[RAMA]

There were NO good intentions in Insurrection. At best, the S'ona tried to be non-violent but they still used the old story...you have gold or oil in your land and because there are so few of you and less advanced we can take whatever we want. When that failed they became vengeful and violent. Historically, this sort of thing never ends well. The UFP was played badly but even so, they went along with some of it knowingly.

I don't think a search for longer lifespans is futile, in fact, we will eventually have technological immortality of a sort, but while we have a limited lifespan, the movie does suggest we enjoy the time we have and make the most of it--a good humanist message--Roddenberry would be proud. The S'ona search is shown to be vain and greedy(a metaphor for current humanity for sure). While I disagree with that, I don't feel they went about it in the proper way.

RAMA

For me, I loved the TNG movies. But I think that the problem they had with them was the fact that they had done so many great stories in the series that perhaps the creativity was beginning to wane a little bit at this point.
I liked Generations. It had a good mix of the old (the three TOS characters, Kirk, Scotty and Chekov) and the new (the TNG cast). Will admit that I didn't like seeing either Kirk's death or the Enterprise-D destroyed (that was in all honesty, just stupid and not really necessary IMO).
First Contact, I have to agree was the best of the TNG movies. I really enjoyed it from start to finish particularly Picard's Captain Ahab moment where he completely lost it when told that he should blow up the ship to stop the Borg.
Insurrection was a very good morality story about what can happen when people interfere in the affairs of others even with the best of intentions.
Nemesis wasn't bad but it was one of those movies that could have been so much better.

The TNG movies aren't perfect I will admit but they do have their moments

 

[2takesfrakes]

The last time I watched FIRST CONTACT, it seemed to me that the introduction of the Queen would've been more impactful had Picard's past dealings with the Borg is what created her. That she was arrived at because of what happened with "Hugh" and Locutus, specifically. It would've added another layer of import to the story, it seems like, to me ...

 

[locutus101]

The last time I watched FIRST CONTACT, it seemed to me that the introduction of the Queen would've been more impactful had Picard's past dealings with the Borg is what created her. That she was arrived at because of what happened with "Hugh" and Locutus, specifically. It would've added another layer of import to the story, it seems like, to me ...

Well, that could still be true and she could just have lied to Picard and Data for reasons unknown.

 

[2takesfrakes]

Whilst I agree that there's some wiggle room to be had, there ... I'm inclined to believe The Queen to be Seen. And it's fine that she's been there forever and always, as the hub of the collective. Because, without her, there's no real way to reach the Borg, otherwise, to deal with them appropriately, in terms of putting them on the road to understanding - and embracing - Human values. Take the Queen out of the picture and the whole point of STAR TREK aliens goes out the window. No matter how EVIL a culture, or species, may be "... everybody's Human."

 

[locutus101]

Whilst I agree that there's some wiggle room to be had, there ... I'm inclined to believe The Queen to be Seen. And it's fine that she's been there forever and always, as the hub of the collective. Because, without her, there's no real way to reach the Borg, otherwise, to deal with them appropriately, in terms of putting them on the road to understanding - and embracing - Human values. Take the Queen out of the picture and the whole point of STAR TREK aliens goes out the window. No matter how EVIL a culture, or species, may be "... everybody's Human."

The borg embracing human values? Forgive me but I don't see that happening, ever.

 

[2takesfrakes]

Haha ... probably not! Maybe the Queen's a longshot, but the Borg without her is a no shot. And that's for certain ...

 

[locutus101]

Haha ... probably not! Maybe the Queen's a longshot, but the Borg without her is a no shot. And that's for certain ...

Unless we use a computer virus like they almost did in I Borg.

 

[2takesfrakes]

That was a really neat idea on terminating the Borg and had Picard gone through with it ... well ... it's the job of our Heroes to take the High Ground. To do the RIGHT thing. But it was kind of awkwardly handled - I almost wish they hadn't "gone there."

 

[locutus101]

That was a really neat idea on terminating the Borg and had Picard gone through with it ... well ... it's the job of our Heroes to take the High Ground. To do the RIGHT thing. But it was kind of awkwardly handled - I almost wish they hadn't "gone there."

It allowed Nechayev to chew Picard's ass.

 

[marlboro]

I didn't care for any of the TNG movies. They just seemed like summer popcorn flicks with tons of action and lame humor.

 

[locutus101]

I didn't care for any of the TNG movies. They just seemed like summer popcorn flicks with tons of action and lame humor.

Plus they killed Data for no good reason.

 

[Arpy]

Did anyone else not like the space battle in NEM? It seems like people point to it as a highlight of the movie, but I never felt any danger to the ship, nor any visceral reaction to the destructive power of the weapons. Zappity zap zap...okay.

 

[locutus101]

Did anyone else not like the space battle in NEM? It seems like people point to it as a highlight of the movie, but I never felt any danger to the ship, nor any visceral reaction to the destructive power of the weapons. Zappity zap zap...okay.

In NEM the actions of the Villain made no sense whatsoever.