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Agents of Shield - Season 4

Mack's moonlighting:

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That would have been more fun if it was a AoS tie in and the car flew off at the end.
 
synopsis for the season premiere

http://www.newsarama.com/30916-agen...rings-ghost-rider-civil-war-to-marvel-tv.html

Sounds like the new director is firmly on the Thunderbolt Ross/Tony Stark side of the Sokovia Accords debate. Which makes sense.

If they're just doing Evil SHIELD Director: The Sequel, aka Gonzales Mark II, they should go the Koenig route and just have Olmos return but say he's the identical twin of the Gonzales who died.

That said, is AoS just unwilling to go a year where the government/SHIELD itself isn't one of the bad guys? Why can't Coulson just fight bad guys with his team without drama from other supposedly "good" organizations? Its getting really tedious at this point. If it wasn't for my enjoyment for all the characters not named Mack I don't think I'd bother with AoS anymore. They really need to steal away some DC TV people, both AoS and the Marvel netflix shows desperately need better writers/producers.
 
If they're just doing Evil SHIELD Director: The Sequel, aka Gonzales Mark II, they should go the Koenig route and just have Olmos return but say he's the identical twin of the Gonzales who died.

That said, is AoS just unwilling to go a year where the government/SHIELD itself isn't one of the bad guys? Why can't Coulson just fight bad guys with his team without drama from other supposedly "good" organizations? Its getting really tedious at this point. If it wasn't for my enjoyment for all the characters not named Mack I don't think I'd bother with AoS anymore. They really need to steal away some DC TV people, both AoS and the Marvel netflix shows desperately need better writers/producers.
I don't see "evil" in that synopsis, I see "differences of opinion added for dramatic purposes."
 
I think Coulson did perfectly fine as an agent in charge of field operations in the early shows and have no problem have him leave the desk behind. Having a difference of opinion with the Director is not new, he disagreed with Fury at times, especially about the fish tank...
 
I don't see "evil" in that synopsis, I see "differences of opinion added for dramatic purposes."

Which seems to be something AoS seems obsessed with doing the last few years, a very one sided "difference of opinion" with Coulson vs the a-holes. It was Coulson vs. Gonzales & Gonzales' minions Mockingbird and Mack last year. Now, its Coulson vs Pro-registration director (aka evil director, since he's pro-registration and almost certainly anti-Coulson).

Maybe they could do a season where they just focused on fighting villains as the main story of the season? I guess that's too radical. What would they have if they didn't have stupid drama? A really good show (instead of an ok but very flawed show), and they can't do that. They'd break their weird trend of having superior movies but inferior TV compared to DC.
 
Which seems to be something AoS seems obsessed with doing the last few years, a very one sided "difference of opinion" with Coulson vs the a-holes. It was Coulson vs. Gonzales & Gonzales' minions Mockingbird and Mack last year. Now, its Coulson vs Pro-registration director (aka evil director, since he's pro-registration and almost certainly anti-Coulson).

Maybe they could do a season where they just focused on fighting villains as the main story of the season? I guess that's too radical. What would they have if they didn't have stupid drama? A really good show (instead of an ok but very flawed show), and they can't do that. They'd break their weird trend of having superior movies but inferior TV compared to DC.

Internal conflict is important, although I do agree that A.O.S. can sometimes over dramatize the depth of that conflict.
 
Which seems to be something AoS seems obsessed with doing the last few years, a very one sided "difference of opinion" with Coulson vs the a-holes. It was Coulson vs. Gonzales & Gonzales' minions Mockingbird and Mack last year. Now, its Coulson vs Pro-registration director (aka evil director, since he's pro-registration and almost certainly anti-Coulson).

Maybe they could do a season where they just focused on fighting villains as the main story of the season? I guess that's too radical. What would they have if they didn't have stupid drama? A really good show (instead of an ok but very flawed show), and they can't do that. They'd break their weird trend of having superior movies but inferior TV compared to DC.
But we don't know that he's evil, he just doesn't agree with Coulson about the Inhumans, there's a big difference there. Just because somebody doesn't agree with us doesn't make them evil. We rarely ever agree on anything and I don't think you're evil.
Honestly, it makes sense to me that most people, especially people in an organization like S.H.I.E.L.D., wouldn't be as open minded about Inhumans as Coulson is. He's probably had more close relationships with multiple Inhumans than most other people have.
 
But we don't know that he's evil, he just doesn't agree with Coulson about the Inhumans, there's a big difference there. Just because somebody doesn't agree with us doesn't make them evil. We rarely ever agree on anything and I don't think you're evil.
Honestly, it makes sense to me that most people, especially people in an organization like S.H.I.E.L.D., wouldn't be as open minded about Inhumans as Coulson is. He's probably had more close relationships with multiple Inhumans than most other people have.

I'm not saying you can't justify it (as much as I dislike this story troupe by now, you can justify it). I'm saying that we just went through this BS with Gonzales and his evil SHIELD. Maybe it would be nice to have a season where the actual bad guys were the antagonists, not the government or SHIELD itself. Heck, it seems like Gemma might even go full Mockingbird/Mack and end up being a traitor/mole on Coulson's team. Not that it matters, because we know that Coulson welcomes all traitors (not named Ward) back with open arms, even when the traitors are anti Inhuman bigots who wanted to shove Daisy in a cage (yes, I'm still bitter about Mack and Mockingbird, and probably will be for as long as the show lasts). But, hey, we even get the "hero being hunted for good reason, but it causes drama so who cares" storyline with Daisy, so its another tired, dusty cliche on top of about a thousand others. The show is being held together by the main cast (minus Mack) at this point, the writing seems to be as lazy and unoriginal s they can possibly get away with.
 
They weren't traitors, they were always loyal to S.H.I.E.L.D., it was just that they were working for the other group.
I'll admit, I haven't watched that stuff in a while, but I didn't think Gonzales and his people were actually evil, were they?
 
They weren't traitors, they were always loyal to S.H.I.E.L.D., it was just that they were working for the other group.
I'll admit, I haven't watched that stuff in a while, but I didn't think Gonzales and his people were actually evil, were they?
No, they were not evil. They simply disagreed with how Fury ran SHIELD, and wrongly blamed his stewardship for HYDRA's infiltration instead of laying the blame at Alexander Pierce.

Anyone, namely Coulson, who was so loyal to Fury-the man, was someone they felt didn't serve the greater good and they were apprehensive over allowing those whose philosophies were in line with Fury's, remain in charge or in leadership positions without being vetted by them.
 
That's what I thought, but Kirk55555 is so insistent on them being evil, that I thought maybe there was something I missed or was forgetting.
 
No, they were not evil. They simply disagreed with how Fury ran SHIELD, and wrongly blamed his stewardship for HYDRA's infiltration instead of laying the blame at Alexander Pierce.

Anyone, namely Coulson, who was so loyal to Fury-the man, was someone they felt didn't serve the greater good and they were apprehensive over allowing those whose philosophies were in line with Fury's, remain in charge or in leadership positions without being vetted by them.

They were also distrustful of Coulson because of his resurrection using alien blood. He was seen as unstable and out of control, not entirely without reason. But they came around when they saw he still stood for SHIELD's ideals. Mac being given stewardship of new alien technologies helped provide a counterbalance to any potential rash decisions by Coulson.
 
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