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^ Incorrect. Gene wrote the whole novel himself. ADF wrote the storyline of the film, but the actual novelization was all Gene's. Every last word of it. (And it shows.)

To be fair, John Meredyth Lucas wrote the original story that TMP was based on (AKA The TOS episode "The Changling"); so yeah to say GR wrote the whole thing himself wouldn't be accurate.)
 
In industry terms, the Trek franchise most certainly has been rebooted a number of times.

TMP and TNG are the clearest examples of new productions that essentially ignored the details of previous Trek in order to present their own new and shiny depictions of the Trek concept, which were then supposed to be the current and "correct" version of the Trek universe, while using the conceit that some time had passed in-universe in order to handwave away all the arbitrary changes.

Kor

Aside from the Klingons in TMP, later explained, they were continuations with in universe explanations for all but the most tiny of details changing...TOS envision by Roddenberry with its cast, TMP....same thing....TNG same thing, new cast with appearances by 4 members of the original cast, which launches the next two spin off series with more cast crossovers including at least 6 from the original series....all as the same characters with the same history, all working as much as possible with the existing continuity, ignoring TAS at that time.
It takes radical reading of the word reboot to class those as such. Even enterprise gets a pass because of the events of first contact, and it's own finale, awful though it was. The intent off screen and on was that all of these series were contiguous. What you describe is not a reboot. It describes change and modernisation as production values move on. NYPD Blue wasn't rebooted every time Andy got a new partner etc

Edit: forgot to mostly agree with the 'in industry terms' however, you get total changes behind the scenes in production staff, sometimes even a studio change as with Buffy for example, and over here we have things like Red Dwarf which radically changed its production designs at least twice (and like Trek has an odd curates egg of a remastered edition) and the minefield that is Doctor Who. In industry terms, quite a lot of reboot or clean starts, but in overall terms....to borrow that annoying meme thing, nope. So it's a fine line. And one that only Discovery may oddly end up being, despite its stated intentions.
 
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Aside from the Klingons in TMP, later explained, they were continuations with in universe explanations for all but the most tiny of details changing...TOS envision by Roddenberry with its cast, TMP....same thing....TNG same thing, new cast with appearances by 4 members of the original cast, which launches the next two spin off series with more cast crossovers including at least 6 from the original series....all as the same characters with the same history, all working as much as possible with the existing continuity, ignoring TAS at that time.
It takes radical reading of the word reboot to class those as such. Even enterprise gets a pass because of the events of first contact, and it's own finale, awful though it was. The intent off screen and on was that all of these series were contiguous. What you describe is not a reboot. It describes change and modernisation as production values move on. NYPD Blue wasn't rebooted every time Andy got a new partner etc

In industry terms, a reboot is a production that gives new life to a media franchise to make it more profitable. Whether the story line is directly continued, or completely ignored, or something in between, is a secondary concern.

As another example, the X-Files franchise was rebooted this year with a miniseries that had a story completely in continuity with the previous TV episodes and movies.

TMP and TNG rebooted the Trek media franchise. TWOK also did so to some extent, as TMP hadn't gotten quite the results that TPTB hoped for, so they wanted some changes.

Kor
 
In industry terms, a reboot is a production that gives new life to a media franchise to make it more profitable. Whether the story line is directly continued, or completely ignored, or something in between, is a secondary concern.

As another example, the X-Files franchise was rebooted this year with a miniseries that had a story completely in continuity with the previous TV episodes and movies.

TMP and TNG rebooted the Trek media franchise. TWOK also did so to some extent, as TMP hadn't gotten quite the results that TPTB hoped for, so they wanted some changes.

Kor

In those terms yes. But in those terms there were mid series reboots in every version Trek, sometimes mid season. In the more currently fashionable usage...Trek has never had a reboot, apart from the half reboot that is JJ Trek. In storyline terms, regarding the wider universe continuity...it has had pretty much zero, no different to say the changes between the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings.
 
A reboot in a franchise ignores all that's gone before it, resets the chronology and reinvents characters. So far the only Trek production that could pass for a reboot is Star Trek '09. And even then you could argue that it's more of a re-imagining.
 
In industry terms, a reboot is a production that gives new life to a media franchise to make it more profitable. Whether the story line is directly continued, or completely ignored, or something in between, is a secondary concern.

As another example, the X-Files franchise was rebooted this year with a miniseries that had a story completely in continuity with the previous TV episodes and movies.

TMP and TNG rebooted the Trek media franchise. TWOK also did so to some extent, as TMP hadn't gotten quite the results that TPTB hoped for, so they wanted some changes.

Kor

X files is interesting....it's more a return...or even a deboot. It's literally taken itself back to before the production moved to LA in many ways. As a direct return, it has very few antecedents, particularly if it continues. What do you think?
 
A reboot in a franchise ignores all that's gone before it, resets the chronology and reinvents characters. So far the only Trek production that could pass for a reboot is Star Trek '09. And even then you could argue that it's more of a re-imagining.
As Kor said, that's just one way to reboot. I think DC's reboots have made people think it's the only way.
 
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To be fair, John Meredyth Lucas wrote the original story that TMP was based on (AKA The TOS episode "The Changling"); so yeah to say GR wrote the whole thing himself wouldn't be accurate.)

Gene wrote the novelization himself. He may not have written the story behind it, but every word in the novel is Gene's. And as I said...oh hell, does it show.
 
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Gene wrote the novelization himself. He may not have written the story behind it, but every word in the novel is Gene's. And as I said...oh hell, does it show.

Farewell my Thyla........etc.
Through which a thousand fan fics were born, but only by ignoring the rest of the footnote.

Def gene.
 
Reboot to me says no continuity survives. Soft reboot means huge chucks of story continuity are no longer canon, but some of it still is, usually the core or essence of the property.

But the TNG era shows worked hard to preserve previous continuity, story and events only at first, and then even design later. They preserved the structure of storytelling and paid tribute to the history of Trek to a significant degree, while further expanding the universe of Trek. That can't be called a reboot unless I'm misunderstanding the definition.

Maybe DSC will be a soft reboot since they are the first of this new TV era.
I've always thought of a soft reboot as something that restarts things, makes changes, and takes the story in a new direction, but is still in continuity with the earlier versions. So I think of TMP, TNG and the current Doctor Who series as soft reboots.
I always took it that Kirk was in the void between universes, which is why he was able to be seen by the crew on the Enterprise. The Defiant emerged in to the Mirror universe after Kirk was rescued. This is further evidenced by the Void ship in Doctor Who, which discusses the concept of the space between dimensions. Since Doctor Who appeared in a TNG comic strip, we can take that as the reason for the interphase, as well as the unsettling feeling that leads to madness.
It wasn't a comic strip, it was an 8 issue comic book crossover miniseries. I think TOS is the only series that's ever had comic strips, and all or most of those were back in the 70s and 80s.
Edit: forgot to mostly agree with the 'in industry terms' however, you get total changes behind the scenes in production staff, sometimes even a studio change as with Buffy for example, and over here we have things like Red Dwarf which radically changed its production designs at least twice (and like Trek has an odd curates egg of a remastered edition) and the minefield that is Doctor Who. In industry terms, quite a lot of reboot or clean starts, but in overall terms....to borrow that annoying meme thing, nope. So it's a fine line. And one that only Discovery may oddly end up being, despite its stated intentions.
Buffy never changed studios, at least according to Wikipedia all that changed was the network.
 
It wasn't a comic strip, it was an 8 issue comic book crossover miniseries. I think TOS is the only series that's ever had comic strips, and all or most of those were back in the 70s and 80s.
Whoops, wrong nomenclature.
 
I've always thought of a soft reboot as something that restarts things, makes changes, and takes the story in a new direction, but is still in continuity with the earlier versions. So I think of TMP, TNG and the current Doctor Who series as soft reboots.

It wasn't a comic strip, it was an 8 issue comic book crossover miniseries. I think TOS is the only series that's ever had comic strips, and all or most of those were back in the 70s and 80s.

Buffy never changed studios, at least according to Wikipedia all that changed was the network.

Yeah, I tend to conflate the two since that's where the funding came from, and they even went to the bother of having a finale for the first network. Was a complicated nest.
 
As Kor said, that's just one way to reboot. I think DC's reboots have made people think it's the only way.

Actually the etymology of the word made people think it's the only way:

"In serial fiction, to reboot means to discard all continuity in an established series in order to recreate its characters, timeline and backstory from the beginning".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reboot_(fiction)

As you'll see above, movie reboots have been a thing decades before DC's reboots.
 
Maybe the Discovery uniforms will look like this. A bit of old and a bit of new but not too jarring.
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Actually the etymology of the word made people think it's the only way:

"In serial fiction, to reboot means to discard all continuity in an established series in order to recreate its characters, timeline and backstory from the beginning".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reboot_(fiction)

As you'll see above, movie reboots have been a thing decades before DC's reboots.
I'm old enough to remember when we didn't call them reboots.
 
I think the point was that the universe into which Kirk and the Defiant vanished was an empty one- a 'null space' with no matter, light, or anything else. That would mean it couldn't be the Enterprise mirror-verse.

However, since there are infinite quantum universes (as shown in TNG's 'Parallels'), it's possible that a near-inifinite number of USS Defiants went through interphase and emerged in a near infinite number of parallel universes. Which would explain why in TOS the Defiant crewmembers wore the same patch as the Enterprise crewmembers, but the Enterprise mirror-verse Defiant's crewmembers wore a different patch.

Of course, ALL of this is nothing but a way of explaining away production and/or continuity errors in various works of fiction. ;)

Nope, the Mirror Tholians were conducting weapons tests that ripped open the Interphase. They sent a signal through that lured the Defiant through. The Interphase itself was a blister in spacetime, but only went from the Prime to Mirror universe.

The same way the Sphere Builder event still happens in the shared past of the Prime and Kelvin universes, as the Sphere Builders live in another universe again, and opened a doorway from 26th century their time, to 22nd century Prime universe, being unaffected by the timeline split.

Universal doorways transcend time and go between two fixed quantum realities. The Defiant went from A to B, only Kirk was left floating in the null space inbetween.
 
1. There was one Defiant crossing between two universes.

2. Becuase of the similarities between parallel universe, many Defiants crossed between many universes. Multiple Defiants could have even showed up in the same Universe at the same time in close proximity, or even in the same point in space time, and exploded.

3. There were infinite Defiants crossing between infinite universes.

4. The act of crossing reality split a single Defiant infinitely, and they all crossed into infinite Universes.

5. This entire situation was designed and controlled by an intelligence.
 
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