The Seska/Kazon arc
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But the Hirogen did appear after the killing game.
Can someone define an "arc" for me? It might be my English, it might just be me but as arcs go, it seems to me that the only arc on VOY is the one with Tom and Michael Jonas in Season 2.
The Hirogen seem to me to take part in different stories that are loosely connected at best. With the same reasoning you could say e.g. that there's a Maquis arc from Caretaker through Parallax and Learning Curve to Repression.
Or am I wrong? What's the definition of an "arc"?
The Hirogen seem to me to take part in different stories that are loosely connected at best. With the same reasoning you could say e.g. that there's a Maquis arc from Caretaker through Parallax and Learning Curve to Repression.
Or am I wrong? What's the definition of an "arc"?
For me an arc is several episodes where the plot is directly related to a previous episode. They don't have to be back to back episodes though. Like Message in a Bottle, Hunters, Prey, The Killing Game, Flesh and Blood. Or Night, Extreme Risk, Juggernaut.
In my opinion, the biggest problem with Seska was probably something that no one could really have helped: at least to me, Martha Hackett and Louise Fletcher have *very* similar acting styles, and even look a bit alike. So even though the character backgrounds for Seska and Kai Winn were fairly different (though, both *did* involve treachery and the Cardassian/Bajoran conflict), Seska just immediately seemed like too much of a retread for me.
I agree with others, though, that she might have been better paired with a more imaginative protagonist species than the Kazon - *and* if they hadn't seemingly decided almost right away that the first Trek with a female captain as the lead needed an is-it-or-isn't-it-his-baby arc.
I agree with others, though, that she might have been better paired with a more imaginative protagonist species than the Kazon - *and* if they hadn't seemingly decided almost right away that the first Trek with a female captain as the lead needed an is-it-or-isn't-it-his-baby arc.
I remember hearing that the baby story line was written in because Martha Hacket was pregnant in real life
An arc is an ongoing story, and sometimes through a character arc, we revisit aspects of certain characters' development. It doesn't have to be series long by any means. Sometimes it's just two or three episodes.
For example, I liked Lon Sudar's little arc in season two. I mean Meld was a fascinating enough episode, but then having to help to retake the ship in Basics by killing again was easily one of the best parts of the two parter for me.
Another little bit I liked in season two was after The Doctor and Denara Pel had a relationship in Lifesigns, she popped up again a few episodes later to help them cure Chakotay and Janeway.
Seven had an ongoing story trying to reclaim her humanity, and then lead a life.
The Doctor overcame his programming and grew to be a fully fledged member of the crew, and even spoke up for holographic rights.
Species 8472 had an arc, though it's debatable if it ended well with In The Flesh. Personally I liked it, but I wished we saw another episode with them.
The Hirogen arc peaked for me in Prey, mostly with Tony Todd and an 8472 in play. Killing Game was pretty good but not the best.
The Pathfinder arc was all good (more or less).
There are probably other ones I'm forgetting but that's the gist of what I'm getting at.
excuse me? First appearing of Hirogen in "Message in a bottle" + "Hunters" + "Prey", kind of conclusion in "The Killing game".
This is the arc I mean
Yes, and then we saw them again in Flesh And Blood. And that was I believe the last time we ever saw them.
yes, but this story told within a few episodes was finished. Many episodes later on the Hirogen got a real conclusion, but the arc itself was done in season 4
I wish Seska had been assimilated by the Borg.
Attention drones! There's a new queen in town! 
That's funny, I was thinking of DS9 during my latest rewatch, though I was thinking of Neela. She appeared in one episode before appearing in the finale, and was exposed as working with Vedek Winn. I thought Seska was a better planned version of Neela, and more interesting.
Originally Neela should have been in at least one more episode, but it didn't work out right. At least with Seska we had grown used to her character for a few episodes before her true allegiance was revealed.
In my opinion, the biggest problem with Seska was probably something that no one could really have helped: at least to me, Martha Hackett and Louise Fletcher have *very* similar acting styles, and even look a bit alike. So even though the character backgrounds for Seska and Kai Winn were fairly different (though, both *did* involve treachery and the Cardassian/Bajoran conflict), Seska just immediately seemed like too much of a retread for me.
I agree with others, though, that she might have been better paired with a more imaginative protagonist species than the Kazon - *and* if they hadn't seemingly decided almost right away that the first Trek with a female captain as the lead needed an is-it-or-isn't-it-his-baby arc.
That's funny, I was thinking of DS9 during my latest rewatch, though I was thinking of Neela. She appeared in one episode before appearing in the finale, and was exposed as working with Vedek Winn. I thought Seska was a better planned version of Neela, and more interesting.
Originally Neela should have been in at least one more episode, but it didn't work out right. At least with Seska we had grown used to her character for a few episodes before her true allegiance was revealed.
Seska would have given the Borg queen a run for her money, that's for sure.Knowing Seska she would have taken over.
Martha Hackett appears on DS9 as a Romulan.Attention drones! There's a new queen in town!
That's funny, I was thinking of DS9 during my latest rewatch, though I was thinking of Neela. She appeared in one episode before appearing in the finale, and was exposed as working with Vedek Winn. I thought Seska was a better planned version of Neela, and more interesting.
Yes she does.
In a completely unrelated point, I liked her on DS9 and wished she'd stayed there, and T'Rul could have stayed on as a recurring cast member. Purely so we could have had more of a Romulan voice on the show, which would have been very handy later on in the show's run with In The Pale Moonlight and the Romulans joining the war.
That may have interfered with her role as Seska though? Although we could have had a super crossover and all turn out to be the same person.
In a completely unrelated point, I liked her on DS9 and wished she'd stayed there, and T'Rul could have stayed on as a recurring cast member. Purely so we could have had more of a Romulan voice on the show, which would have been very handy later on in the show's run with In The Pale Moonlight and the Romulans joining the war.
That may have interfered with her role as Seska though? Although we could have had a super crossover and all turn out to be the same person.
Yes she does.
In a completely unrelated point, I liked her on DS9 and wished she'd stayed there, and T'Rul could have stayed on as a recurring cast member. Purely so we could have had more of a Romulan voice on the show, which would have been very handy later on in the show's run with In The Pale Moonlight and the Romulans joining the war.
That may have interfered with her role as Seska though? Although we could have had a super crossover and all turn out to be the same person.
I don't see how. Unless there's a wormhole leading directly from DS9 to wherever Voyager was.
No, there was a two part episode in season 7 with the Hirogen
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