the fact that it's old doesn't matter, plenty of old shows have been remastered on blu. the twilight zone is on blu and that's way older. firefly is on blu. farscape is on blu. battlestar galactica is on blu. ds9 will be get there. the writers are talking about season 8 in an upcoming documentary. I don't know why so many of you act like ds9's old news. what's the purpose of talking like that? have some hope, we don't need negativity, we need support.
DS9 on blu ray?
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All of those shows were simply ported over, they didn't get the amount of restoration the two Trek series did. I don't want CBS dealing me something half-ass. I already have the DVD's.
If they half-ass it, you can just not buy it. Problem solved. But at least a new option will be available to those who want it.
If they couldn't get folks to buy a restoration that made a Trek show look brand new, they aren't going to get folks to buy something that looks terrible just because it is on Blu-ray. People that buy things on Blu-ray are usually doing so to get great video and audio quality.
Which is also why Blu-ray doesn't sell when DVD is so much cheaper...
And the cycle continues
Farscape is the only show on your list that is comparable to DS9, as it was an up-convert job from SD video, and that would be only economically sensible way to release DS9 on blu ray.
Which is also why Blu-ray doesn't sell when DVD is so much cheaper...
And the cycle continues
Lately, I've noticed that with a lot of new releases, there is only a small price difference between DVD and blu ray, especially when stuff is on sale upon first release. I've even gotten extra-special deluxe 3-D releases just because of the price, even thought I don't have a 3-D TV or 3-D blu ray player!
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Maybe I should point out, but in the US Star Trek Discovery is only going to have its Pilot episode aired on national TV, while the rest of the series will be aired on All Access. Clearly, CBS is projecting that they will get more money for Discovery from online sources than they would from regular TV amongst Americans.
Really, how many shows get repeats on TV nowadays? A lot of Americans on this board seem to think that this is the 80's where when TV shows went on summer break, the network would reair the previous season over the summer in the hopes that they would pick up more audience for the next season, maybe even test different dates (as we saw with Full House where it's ratings increased over the summer of 1988), however, I've noticed during the summer of 2016 that aside from The Big Bang Theory, none of the other shows (such as Gotham or Supergirl), or even shows that aired during the 2015-2016 season but were cancelled, have aired repeats of the episodes. Although they are available on their respective network's websites, and other places like iTunes, and most shows eventually end up on DVD ( a few will get a Blu-Ray release, but for most their HD versions will remain as streaming only shows).
Also the quotes that a lot of people refer to have been from 3rd-party personnel who were involved with TNG-R, but are no longer employed by CBS, and to date the last official update on how well TNG-R did on Blu-Ray was back in December 2012, nearly 4 years ago. And at that time there was no mention of how well the series did on streaming services. BillJ and other are quoting inaccurate and misleading information. Even now, if people download a SD version of even one episode of TNG-R, they are paying for a Remastered version of the show. And someone mentioned that some Americans can't afford streaming services. That's funny, as I see on places like Amazon Prime (which I can't access the shows due to territorial restrictions) Americans have the option of either purchasing the shows, or watching them for FREE with commercials inserted into the episodes, so even though the person is not paying for the show, an advertiser certainly is paying for the show. Even up here in Canada I've watched shows on the websites for different networks, and I've had to wait for commercials to play during the shows. So I'm not paying for the shows, but when I access the show, some advertiser or more is paying for the show.
Personally I'm not expecting an announcement till February 2018 at the earliest, based on the amount of time it took between the last effect was done on TOS-R is April 2008 and the announcement of TNG-R in 2011. We didn't hear much back then about how the sales of TOS-R on Blu-Ray were either, but there was about a 38 month span between the two.
Of course if you are looking for a remaster of an older show, you might want to check out SeaQuest DSV, which is also 20 years old and in Australia is getting a Blu-Ray release due to, in 1993, the producers deciding to master the show to both D2 composite digital video tape for the NTSC market, and 35mm film for the PAL/SECAM market.
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"We're constantly looking at it"
Yes, of course you are, Marc.
Yes, of course you are, Marc.
Mastering the show on 35mm film is what makes a quick and dirty transfer to Blu-ray possible. The odds would be much higher for Deep Space Nine and Voyager, if someone had that kind of foresight.
Although with SeaQuest the question is whether the CGI effects were mastered to film at film resolution or if back in the 90's the D1 component tapes had been converted from 720 by 486 to film. From what I've seen of the Blu-Ray reviews, it looks like some shots might've been exported at film quality, while others were converted from D1.
I'd imagine that if Discovery is popular enough, that DS9 could finally get a full HD remaster. After all, the cost of remastering an entire season wouldn't be much more than producing an episode or 2 of the new series.
It would take a lot for that to happen, IIRC TNG-R hasn't broke even yet.
It would take a lot for that to happen, IIRC TNG-R hasn't broke even yet.
I thought it was pointless not to do it with the belief that eps cost 1-2 mil... apparently these eps run over 3 mil though. how is 20 mil for 7 seasons worse than 3.3 mil for an episode? I'm guessing they mostly make that back through advertisement dollars too... so how much more could an ep of discovery be watched than an ep of ds9? a high def ep of ds9 would cost less than 150g.... so they must think that ds9 would be viewed <5% as often as discovery? (if discovery is considered profitable, then high def ds9 would be more profitable if viewed only 5% as often with these numbers). well, that much extra (<5%) on top of the views it's currently getting. still seems insane. perhaps we're wrong about hi def ds9 costing *only* 20 mil.
but really I'd think it costs far less, I've seen personal, one man projects to remaster individual scenes that were done for nothing.... how long would 1 ep really take? it took them 2.5 years to release all of TNG.... that's about 5 days per episode, and I doubt they felt rushed for 2.5 years straight. they prob did it at a leisurely pace. season 4 was released just 90 days after season 3... at that rate they could have banged the whole thing out in 1 year, 9 months. that's 3.5 days per ep. and I doubt they were working around the clock for those 90 days. and if it can be done so quickly, I see no reason that it should cost 20 mil. how much do they need per hour? lol. give each of 5 ppl 5g each for apparently 3.5 days of work... for all eps this would only cost 4.5m. 5 grand isn't worth their time, really? or does it take more than 5 ppl? how many jobs are there, exactly, in this project? or is it more like tons of ppl each working on individual 10 second clips, 8 hours each? I highly doubt that, lol, given how 1 man can do the work for nothing.
20m is over 100g per ep... for 3.5 days work... how can it not be done more cheaply than that? who wouldn't do 3.5 days work, in a chair, on a computer, for a tenth of that? I'm really confused.
but really I'd think it costs far less, I've seen personal, one man projects to remaster individual scenes that were done for nothing.... how long would 1 ep really take? it took them 2.5 years to release all of TNG.... that's about 5 days per episode, and I doubt they felt rushed for 2.5 years straight. they prob did it at a leisurely pace. season 4 was released just 90 days after season 3... at that rate they could have banged the whole thing out in 1 year, 9 months. that's 3.5 days per ep. and I doubt they were working around the clock for those 90 days. and if it can be done so quickly, I see no reason that it should cost 20 mil. how much do they need per hour? lol. give each of 5 ppl 5g each for apparently 3.5 days of work... for all eps this would only cost 4.5m. 5 grand isn't worth their time, really? or does it take more than 5 ppl? how many jobs are there, exactly, in this project? or is it more like tons of ppl each working on individual 10 second clips, 8 hours each? I highly doubt that, lol, given how 1 man can do the work for nothing.
20m is over 100g per ep... for 3.5 days work... how can it not be done more cheaply than that? who wouldn't do 3.5 days work, in a chair, on a computer, for a tenth of that? I'm really confused.
Apples and oranges...
A first-run new TV series designed to snare customers for a new online streaming service can afford to be a punt (look at House Of Cards, not cheap and a huge gamble for Netflix), and they can expect instant overseas sales (in a deal already signed with Netflix) and also at some point, digital and DVD/Blu sales. However that is so far down the line that it will have played little part initial commissioning choices.
DS9 on Blu is completely different. The analysis will have been based on sales of the TNG Blu Rays which were by all accounts below expectations. They now look at DS9 where projected sales would be lower and projected costs higher, and see the project almost certainly losing money.
The argument has been made upthread that they are looking at an asset and that eventually will have trouble selling DS9 for streaming if it is just SD. Maybe, but its obviously not a convincing enough argument to invest in a decent remaster. With the success of Beyond almost guaranteeing a 4th movie, and if Discovery is successful, maybe minds will be changed?
You really don't have a clue. There's more to it than just the CGI. In order to do what was done to TNG, they have to go to the salt mines where the film is stored, pull out all the elements, piece the episodes back together from scratch. Essentially, they are doing the entirety of post-filming process all over again. Then there is the fact that this is a professional business, with all the good and bad involved. They simply aren't going to break traditional relationships they have in the industry to do things on the cheap. But, then there's the fact that having hundreds or thousands of people working on the CGI would lead to a wild range in quality. Heck, TNG only had two companies working on the restoration of the series and the range is pretty telling season by season when put next to each other.
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