As in, constantly under the threat of starvation and power loss, along with a damaged ship. Some 'how far wiould you go to get home' stuff.
Should Voyager have been more like the Equinox?
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Yes, it should.
I would have throw the voyager nearer the federation, let's say a travel of 5-10 years, counting the stops, so we could have see the ship return home without time travel and the propultion system of the week
I would have throw the voyager nearer the federation, let's say a travel of 5-10 years, counting the stops, so we could have see the ship return home without time travel and the propultion system of the week
I get that the Equinox was worse off than Voyager but it's so against Starfleet. It was interestin to see them in contrast to Voyager but if that was what we had all the time I don't know if I would have liked it. Not for a Star Trek show anyway.
Considering that two-part story and the moral sacrifices that crew made, maybe.
Producer Ron Moore always felt Voyager was too "clean"; if they were truly on their own for resources and power, would the holodeck/suite be allowed to be on at all? Wouldn't the decks and bridge start to show wear and tear that a starbase layover would fix? Wouldn't Engineering looked more "patched together" as time went on and B'Elanna modified things to make the ship function? Wouldn't crew uniforms become faded as rations on replicators "really" took effect?
The "Year of Hell" storyline truly showed what Voyager should have looked like by years four, five, six, and so on.
However, Star Trek has always prided itself on a "clean" look; viewers and fans may have been taken aback by a deteriorating vessel and a crew trying to stay "hopeful".
So yes, an "Equinox" take without the moral ambivalence might have been fun to watch.
Producer Ron Moore always felt Voyager was too "clean"; if they were truly on their own for resources and power, would the holodeck/suite be allowed to be on at all? Wouldn't the decks and bridge start to show wear and tear that a starbase layover would fix? Wouldn't Engineering looked more "patched together" as time went on and B'Elanna modified things to make the ship function? Wouldn't crew uniforms become faded as rations on replicators "really" took effect?
The "Year of Hell" storyline truly showed what Voyager should have looked like by years four, five, six, and so on.
However, Star Trek has always prided itself on a "clean" look; viewers and fans may have been taken aback by a deteriorating vessel and a crew trying to stay "hopeful".
So yes, an "Equinox" take without the moral ambivalence might have been fun to watch.
Yes that's what Ron Moore wanted...hence Battlestar Galactica.
As for the holodeck yes that used power but it was their only recreation. Keeping them working would have been essential to morale and sanity
Voyager really needed to up the stakes on how important it was on getting the hell out the Delta Quadrant. Just "getting home" wasn't going to be enough, when they could cope with every situation they encountered, thanks to their STARFLEET training and Human ingenuity. Absolutely, every week for Voyager has to be a struggle to survive. That's not to say that there wouldn't still be great stories adjacent to that, but yeah ... they'd get through, but it would be a squeaker.
It didn't have to be. Instead of that goofy "different power systems" excuse for keeping it, they could have had the crew use a spare room or bay or whatever to set up a rec room. Daily human interaction would have a better effect on crew morale than the occasional trip to FakeWorld. (Especially as they almost always go badly.)
True. He took his frustration over Voyager's "clean" and by the book storytelling dictates from Berman and Co., and decided, hey, BSG is a dormant franchise why not try out some things there that I couldn't on Star Trek: grittier, sexier, violent, morally questionable, religion and its precepts, and so on.
I did enjoy Ron Moore's BSG; but there were storylines there that grated on me, also.
He told his saga, and he told it well. But it wasn't for everyone.
They had daily interaction (not all of them were human) in the mess hall. Neelix was always throwing a party for one thing or another.
But as to answer the OP's question, a big resounding NO. I don't mind the idea of wear and tear on the ship but that's about it. I would have turned off the show if it had been anything like an ongoing Year of Hell. Continuous stories about the lack of supplies or needing to fix the ship would become so boring after a while.
BSG was good for about two seasons and then it fell apart. The premise couldn't be sustained.
But as to answer the OP's question, a big resounding NO. I don't mind the idea of wear and tear on the ship but that's about it. I would have turned off the show if it had been anything like an ongoing Year of Hell. Continuous stories about the lack of supplies or needing to fix the ship would become so boring after a while.
BSG was good for about two seasons and then it fell apart. The premise couldn't be sustained.
That would have become background, or "B" storyline in each episode if the "Equinox" format had been tried.
Any new aliens they met in the Delta Quadrant may have commented on their "ragged" looks and "ragged" starship, but a throwaway line of dialog or two would have sufficed.
By the time they encountered Borg space, though, all bets may have been off; Janeway's compelling argument to spare Voyager from assimilation may have needed more "oomph". A racked-out ship would have been an easy assimilation prize for the Borg.
I think the ship could have used a few personal touches over the years. Pictures, plants or anything really. Being as the crew were supposed to be on a short term mission, surely not seeing their loved ones for 70-odd years would be more be upsetting? I can't help but feel they would get sick of the Starfleet bulkheads and renovate. Even just parts of the ship.
They also could have changed the look of the outer of the ship casually over the years if they ever had to have repairs at alien planets or space stations that had different technology.
Equinox was an interesting episode, and it bugged me that the characters that stayed on board were never revisited again, but never mind. I think the show should have taken more risks, and they should have had a few arcs here or there where their backs were up against the wall, instead of coming out on top every week.
I certainly don't think the show should have been like that all the time. I loved BSG but even just some of that sort of tone would have been better.
They also could have changed the look of the outer of the ship casually over the years if they ever had to have repairs at alien planets or space stations that had different technology.
Equinox was an interesting episode, and it bugged me that the characters that stayed on board were never revisited again, but never mind. I think the show should have taken more risks, and they should have had a few arcs here or there where their backs were up against the wall, instead of coming out on top every week.
I certainly don't think the show should have been like that all the time. I loved BSG but even just some of that sort of tone would have been better.
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they had to keep things al
While I love both Star Trek and BSG, that was the main difference between them. BSG was dark and like the worst case scenario. Trek as always been optimistic and mostly the best case scenario.No! No! Never!
I'm happy that Voyager never turned into some doom-and-gloom series.
It was enough to being bored to death by Nu-BSG and Stargate Universe.
they had personal touches in their quarters. But they couldn't change things in the ship itself. They had to adhere to starfleet regulations.
Never saw anything "Stargate" except the 1994 movie.
70, 000 light years away? What Starfleet bureaucrat was checking in on them?
No! No! Never!
I'm happy that Voyager never turned into some doom-and-gloom series.
It was enough to being bored to death by Nu-BSG and Stargate Universe.
I completely agree. After a season of Voyager being all about the crew starving/dying, the ship falling apart etc I would have gotten sick of it. I don't think Trek works with that kind of depressing/negative focus.
just because someone isn't checking up on you doesn't mean you don't do your job. They all agreed to function under Starfleet rules and regulations, and be a Starfleet ship.
I haven't seen the movie yet.
But I've seen the series and I really like Stargate SG1 and Stargate Atlantis.
But Stargate Universe was horrible.
I agree that there should have been some visible signs that the ship and crew were away from home for an extended period of time. Scarred hull plating from previous battles, a general deteriorating look inside... nothing so bad as it detracts from the general Star Trek-iness of it, but a bit of patina.
As for the BSG revival, I tried to watch it but I couldn't get on with it. The shaky cameras did my head in.
As for the BSG revival, I tried to watch it but I couldn't get on with it. The shaky cameras did my head in.
