Should Voyager have been more like the Equinox?

[JirinPanthosa]

No.

Should they have made more ethical compromises, particularly in the technology sharing arena, perhaps. Gone as low as to murder innocent sentient creatures? Absolutely not.

I do think their stay in the delta quadrant should have been rougher. Maybe been low on resources a little more, had a few more growing pains with the Maquis crew as opposed to instant conformity except for three guys in Learning Curve. And they should have had open conversation about whether perfect Starfleet behavior really makes sense stranded alone in the delta quadrant when you're desperate.

But they should have arrived at a compromise far short of crossing the line of murder.

 

[SiddFinch1]

Not to.the level of equinox or even nu-bsg but should have had more consequences of.being alone. More signs of damage to the ship and jury-rigged repairs and mismatched parts. More use of recurring background characters since no ability to get new Starfleet officers. I know TPTB did not want these things but would have been a.nice tweak.

 

[Refuge]

Having watched Discovery and the tardigrade shroom propulsion madness of their Captain (killed his entire previous crew) and tortured an alien life form to jump his ship into other.. places.. NO. Janeway is a girl scout compared to those crazies.

 

[Tracy Trek]

they had personal touches in their quarters. But they couldn't change things in the ship itself. They had to adhere to starfleet regulations.

Tom was great for having personal touches in his quarters.

Uh-huh, and if they had gone for the "Gritty survival drama" thing and tried to stretch it out for 7 years, odds are Voyager would still be seen as inferior to TNG and DS9 and we'd now be discussing "Eh, Voyager had the unique opportunity to do something special but it fell apart after 2 seasons and never really recovered. They should've gone with something else after the survival stuff petered out and found a way of maintaining the ship better. Such a waste of what could've been a good series."

Instead of a hint of any appreciation for what it DID do.

So why do the other "Lost Ship" shows like Blakes' 7, Farscape, Lexx and even recent shows like SGU and Dark Matter get away with this stuff to no complaint?

I'm convinced that no matter what Voyager did, it would be a case of "Damned if you do, damned if you don't". I read somewhere recently that some people think that Voyager ruined the Borg partly because of the the Borg Queen. Hello! That character was introduced in a TNG movie. Yes, Voyager followed up on the character, but I feel like it's just another case of Voyager getting bashed for stuff the other shows get away with.

And I didn't want Voyager to be nuBSG. I watched some of that and guess what, I didn't like it that much. I didn't like SGU. And I didn't like that one episode of Discovery I watched.

Voyager keeping the Borg weapon placements would have been a good modification to the ship. And as someone said earlier, maybe some patchwork repairs to the hull from other friendly aliens.

Didn't Astrometrics have Borg components?

 

[fireproof78]

I'm convinced that no matter what Voyager did, it would be a case of "Damned if you do, damned if you don't". I read somewhere recently that some people think that Voyager ruined the Borg partly because of the the Borg Queen. Hello! That character was introduced in a TNG movie. Yes, Voyager followed up on the character, but I feel like it's just another case of Voyager getting bashed for stuff the other shows get away with.

No, the Borg Queen in FC was just as stupid.

 

[Refuge]

What's FC?

I enjoyed the Borg aspect of the Delta Quadrant.

 

[Tracy Trek]

What's FC?

I enjoyed the Borg aspect of the Delta Quadrant.

It's First Contact, the second of the TNG big screen movies.

 

[Refuge]

Thank you Tracy. I'm hopeless with some of these acronyms. That being said I find the Borg one of the best alien creations in the franchise. I adapt to each version All good.

 

[F. King Daniel]

madness of their Captain (killed his entire previous crew)

He says he destroyed his ship so that his crew wouldn't have to endure horrific torture and death on Kronos.

Yes, it's all very shifty that he somehow survived but I'm sure they'll explain it soon.

But if such a certain fate was to befall Voyager's crew, would killing them now be something of a mercy? If Voyager were being assimilated and all hope was lost, wouldn't autodestruct be preferable to becoming Borg drones?

 

[Vanyel]

Janeway did destroy Voyager once, I can't remember the episode's name, but it was when there were two Voyagers and the less damaged Voyager was attacked and boarded by Vidiians. And she tried to in Basics but Seska damaged that computer relay. I think there ws another time o r two where she set the autodestruct or pushed the ships to its limit to save it. That might make a trivia question, how many times did Janeway try to and/or succeed to destroy Voyager?

 

[Refuge]

I don't thing the crew of the USS Buran .. those Lorca killed, got any second chances. They are dead.

 

[Tracy Trek]

Janeway did destroy Voyager once, I can't remember the episode's name, but it was when there were two Voyagers and the less damaged Voyager was attacked and boarded by Vidiians.

I believe that was Deadlock.

 

[Relayer1]

I didn't want Voyager to be nuBSG. I watched some of that and guess what, I didn't like it that much. I didn't like SGU. And I didn't like that one episode of Discovery I watched.

I liked all of those. Quite a lot.

Didn't like Voyager overmuch though...

 

[Refuge]

I liked all of those. Quite a lot.

Didn't like Voyager overmuch though...

I'm with Tracy. Love Voyager and am struggling with Discovery... BSG was not my cup of tea either. The later Stargates were ghastly awful.

 

[Refuge]

I believe that was Deadlock.

Deadlock was actually cool. You watch it thinking the one crew is going to survive and it ends up being the other one.

 

[Prax]

Janeway did destroy Voyager once, I can't remember the episode's name, but it was when there were two Voyagers and the less damaged Voyager was attacked and boarded by Vidiians. And she tried to in Basics but Seska damaged that computer relay. I think there ws another time o r two where she set the autodestruct or pushed the ships to its limit to save it. That might make a trivia question, how many times did Janeway try to and/or succeed to destroy Voyager?

She did it twice. I don't remember the other time besides Deadlock, but she aborted.

I love that scene in Deadlock when the Vidiians make it to the bridge. Janeway says "Hello gentlemen, My name is Kathryn Janeway. Welcome to the bridge."

And the third similar incident was in "Scientific Method" when she flies through a star.

 

[Refuge]

She did it twice. I don't remember the other time besides Deadlock, but she aborted.

I love that scene in Deadlock when the Vidiians make it to the bridge. Janeway says "Hello gentlemen, My name is Kathryn Janeway. Welcome to the bridge."

And the third similar incident was in "Scientific Method" when she flies through a star.

Janeway saying that gives me the chills because it's so tragic in the light of their fate. In Timeless when she says "Not exactly how I wanted to cross the finish line". AND in Year of Hell.. alone but brave Janeway slamming Voyager into the Krenim Timeship - "Time's up". Both those also have.. er... impact.

You got to admit Janeway is no coward.

 

[Tracy Trek]

The later Stargates were ghastly awful.

I liked Atlantis tolerably well, not as much as SG-1. But I just couldn't get into Universe at all.

 

[Syd Shanshala]

There's a huge difference between "dark" and "realistic". Gillians island did a better job at portraying people being stranded, making things out of rocks bamboo and coconuts and that wasn't dark. You'd think voyager would've been a bit more out of the box with modifications to the ship and the way it went about its business, given how many advanced species they encountered, how many times they took damage and the fact that without plot devices they were facing a lifelong trip home. If you sat someone down who didn't really know the show and put on any episode other than year of hell or equinox, I'd argue they'd have no idea of the dire ness of voyagers situation. I know janeway and the crew are always talking about it, but I'd rather be SHOWN something than told about it.