Any ships named Enterprise after NX-01 before 1701?

[ConRefit79]

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Spoiler: ST Beyond

I did say I enjoyed Beyond. And I didn't want to nitpick. It just seems odd considering appending a letter to a registry was an honor that is exceedingly rare before nuTrek.

 

[C.E. Evans]

^

Spoiler: ST Beyond

I did say I enjoyed Beyond. And I didn't want to nitpick. It just seems odd considering appending a letter to a registry was an honor that is exceedingly rare before nuTrek.

Spoiler: ST Beyond

Some things are just meant to be in the Kelvin Timeline, while others aren't.

 

[Kemaiku]

There's nothing "meant to be", there's what the studio deems fit to put in, and random fan stuff.

 

[C.E. Evans]

Spoiler: ST Beyond

There truly are things that are meant to be. That's been the case from the moment the Kelvin Timeline was created. Saying that what we see on screen is dictated by what the studio (or more accurately, the writers and the producers) put in is truly stating the obvious. The random fan stuff isn't even part of the equation, so that's neither here nor there.

But from a strictly in-universe perspective, in which we're all talking about here, it's just a simple case of some things that happened in the prime timeline--like an Enterprise-A--also happening in the Kelvin timeline, even if the circumstances for them are vastly different.

 

[Kemaiku]

Spoiler: ST Beyond

The changes in the timeline went backwards as well as forwards, as stated by staff working on Beyond, any gelling of the two universes are a result of them resonating across their entire shared and unshared existance now. Don't mistake quantum entanglement for fate.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701's_predecessor)_(alternate_reality)

 

[BillJ]

I don't think it's a big deal to put one between the NX-01 and the NCC-1701. The in-between one just likely wouldn't have the reputation of the rest. The lines that indicate the number can be finessed to mean the NCC-1701 series.

 

[C.E. Evans]

Spoiler: ST Beyond

The changes in the timeline went backwards as well as forwards, as stated by staff working on Beyond, any gelling of the two universes are a result of them resonating across their entire shared and unshared existance now. Don't mistake quantum entanglement for fate.

Spoiler: ST Beyond

Don't underestimate fate, which usually has zip to do with quantum entanglement. Some things are just meant to be in both universes, which is something all three Kelvin Timeline movies have demonstrated.

 

[Tenacity]

^

Spoiler: ST Beyond

It just seems odd considering appending a letter to a registry was an honor that is exceedingly rare before nuTrek.

Spoiler: ST Beyond

During TOS we only saw a tiny number of starships, registration numbers with a letter appended could be quite common.

 

[ConRefit79]

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Fine. I didn't mean to hijack my own thread with this topic. It was just a thought I had. What about the lack of Enterprise's between NX-01 and 1701?

 

[Kemaiku]

The Yamato originally had "-E" on her registry in TNG.

 

[Tenacity]

What about the lack of Enterprise's between NX-01 and 1701?

Canonically, NCC-1701 was the first Enterprise in Federation service.

But there could have been a few more in Earth's service, prior to ncc1701.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

What about the lack of Enterprise's between NX-01 and 1701?

After the NX-01 came the NX-01-A:

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Dauntless

Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

But there could have been a few more in Earth's service, prior to ncc1701.

Like the ring ship.

 

[The Old Mixer]

The 5 ships could also refer to sharing virtually the same registry.

Spoiler: ST Beyond

Which begs the question what did nuKirk and JJ Prise do in their short lives to get the -A registry? Wait I enjoyed Beyond. I don't want to nit pick it.

Spoiler: ST Beyond

We've seen other reused registries. There's nothing to say it was explicitly continued because the Enterprise was famous. And even in Kelvinverse, the E had saved the planet twice and Starbase Yorktown.

Spoiler: ST Beyond

Save Earth and the Federation from Nero, uncover a conspiracy that would have plunged the Federation into a nasty war with the Klingons, and probably a lot of untold stuff that occurred in the years between Into Darkness and Beyond.

^

Spoiler: ST Beyond

I did say I enjoyed Beyond. And I didn't want to nitpick. It just seems odd considering appending a letter to a registry was an honor that is exceedingly rare before nuTrek.

Spoiler: ST Beyond

Some things are just meant to be in the Kelvin Timeline, while others aren't.

Spoiler: ST Beyond

There truly are things that are meant to be. That's been the case from the moment the Kelvin Timeline was created. Saying that what we see on screen is dictated by what the studio (or more accurately, the writers and the producers) put in is truly stating the obvious. The random fan stuff isn't even part of the equation, so that's neither here nor there.

But from a strictly in-universe perspective, in which we're all talking about here, it's just a simple case of some things that happened in the prime timeline--like an Enterprise-A--also happening in the Kelvin timeline, even if the circumstances for them are vastly different.

Spoiler: ST Beyond

The changes in the timeline went backwards as well as forwards, as stated by staff working on Beyond, any gelling of the two universes are a result of them resonating across their entire shared and unshared existance now. Don't mistake quantum entanglement for fate.

Spoiler: ST Beyond

Don't underestimate fate, which usually has zip to do with quantum entanglement. Some things are just meant to be in both universes, which is something all three Kelvin Timeline movies have demonstrated.

Spoiler: ST Beyond

During TOS we only saw a tiny number of starships, registration numbers with a letter appended could be quite common.

You guys may have noticed that some changes have been made to these posts. The movie's still in theaters, folks. Thank you all in advance for not making me do this again.

Spoiler: ST Beyond

Don't underestimate fate, which usually has zip to do with quantum entanglement.

Spoiler

Since this is the JJVerse we're talking about, maybe it's the Force....

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Seems strange to me that Earth's first Warp 5 ship NX-01 would not have a successor for more than 80+ years until the Constitution class 1701 is built. If you go by the extended Enterprise novel series she is decommissioned in 2161. And the Constitution class 1701 Enterprise doesn't start her first 5yr mission until 2245. Has there ever been any mention of another class ship named Enterprise that existed between NX-01 and 1701?

Well, it all depends which 1701. Because one correct answer would be "none" but another also correct answer is "there are six Enterprises between the NX-01 and the NCC-1701"!

http://discovery.trekcore.com/galle...writers-room/bryan-fuller-rod-roddenberry.jpg

http://discovery.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/behind-the-scenes/writers-room/ship-wall-2.jpg

 

[Avro Arrow]

Like the ring ship.

But there was a picture of the ring ship in "First Flight", so it presumably predated the NX-01, instead of coming between NX-01 and NCC-1701.

I personally don't really think it makes that much sense that Starfleet didn't name a single ship Enterprise between 2161 and 2245, but the 24th century shows went out of their way to say that this was the case, so we're kind of stuck with it.

But there could have been a few more in Earth's service, prior to ncc1701.

Do we even know if Earth retains any fleet after the Federation is formed? UE Starfleet seems to have been rolled right into UFP Starfleet.

I guess the other thing we could do is play the spaceship/starship game and say that Starfleet had a ship named Enterprise before 2245, but it didn't count as a "starship", since TOS seemed to treat that as a special type of ship.

And of course none of this would preclude, say, an SS Enterprise in the Federation merchant marine fleet, since such a ship would be outside the context of all the dialogue/set dressing establishing NCC-1701 as the first Enterprise.

 

[C.E. Evans]

You guys may have noticed that some changes have been made to these posts. The movie's still in theaters, folks. Thank you all in advance for not making me do this again.

Not everything said was a spoiler (unless someone had been under a rock since 2009).

 

[Timo]

And the key thing everyone overlooks when pointing out all the references to "there have been five Enterprises" not specifying Federation ships is that if they are including pre-Federation ships with that figure, than they're wrong since they're forgetting the ring-ship from TMP.

But that's irrelevant because "there have been five Enterprises" must always be treated as referring to a specific subcategory of Enterprises anyway. As of this date, there have been hundreds if not thousands of Enterprises - seagoing government vessels, seagoing commercial vessels, seagoing private vessels, funnily named automobiles, assorted spacecraft even. Those are all being implicitly excluded here.

The temporal agents aren't forgetting anything. They are concentrating on a relevant category. Whether one could shoehorn in an Enterprise that lies outside that category depends on whether we ignore the obvious (that the one thing the five/six being quoted share is that they all are "UFP Starfleet starships") or adhere to it. After all, there's no reason the people of the late 22nd, 23rd and early 24th centuries should suddenly stop naming their interplanetary ferries and hovercars Enterprise.

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701's_predecessor)_(alternate_reality)

But that article is in error. The old Enterprise in that comic was never shown from the outside - all the pictures are of nuKirk's ship. All we saw was the bridge of nuApril's ship, and neither that panel nor the dialogue refer to the registry number of that ship.

Also, nuApril operated after 2233, so there's no indication that the "joint" past of the universes would have featured a further Enterprise by any registry, nor any need for the past to have been anything but "perfectly joint".

Timo Saloniemi

 

[The Old Mixer]

Not everything said was a spoiler (unless someone had been under a rock since 2009).

The parts that didn't directly refer to the spoiler provided enough context to easily guess what it was about.