Why didn't Beyond do better at the Box Office?

[Relayer1]

So far as I'm aware, the only actors under contract for movie 4 are Pine and Quinto. This means Paramount could, without caring about what it would do to the crew dynamics as well as annoying fans, drop Zoe Saldana. Or John Cho. Or Simon Pegg.

Sounds O.K. to me.

Or, heaven forbid, Karl Urban.

But that would be a dealbreaker...

 

[Khan 2.0]

The unfortunate thing about this is that this could very adversely affect the budget of Trek 4, presuming Paramount doesn't decide to abandon Star Trek entirely. We already had a massive cut in effects budget in Beyond by not going with ILM. How best to reduce costs next time? Start looking at salaries. None of the Trek crew are massive celebrities, but Zoe Saldana's definitely on the cusp of being able to seek major money since she's going to be continually involved with the Avatar franchise. So far as I'm aware, the only actors under contract for movie 4 are Pine and Quinto. This means Paramount could, without caring about what it would do to the crew dynamics as well as annoying fans, drop Zoe Saldana. Or John Cho. Or Simon Pegg. Or, heaven forbid, Karl Urban. And that's not counting Sofia Boutella if she wishes to remain. To be honest, Paramount already locked themselves into pretty hefty spending on the next one by letting the film-makers introduce the 1701-A. That means an entirely new CGI model for the next one since the one at the end of the movie was likely a simplified version since it didn't need to get close up to the camera. More importantly, and expensively, it means entirely new set designs for the interior of the Enterprise. Studio cost wise, it almost would've been easier on them to have the saucer salvaged at the end of the movie and reattached to a new secondary hull.

yeah maybe Zoe could just cameo in next one. Cho/Pegg/Urban be ok doing the same (maybe even less for Pegg and Cho)

as for the 1701-A could simplify the bridge not so apple store/bright make it more like the original movies

 

[Shalashaska]

So much doom and gloom.

We have three new movies, and a new series on the way. This should be a time for Trekkies to be happy, not predicting the end of the franchise.

You know it's been a rough stretch when a seven-year-old movie is still "new"

 

[johnjm22]

Because 2016 China is simply a different market than 2013 China. With China companies doing the distribution partnership I find it hard to believe the competition at that date would be too adverse. Just about any movie can make $40-50 million there and action movies are a preferred genre.

It is going to go to to finish at $210-215 at the low end of current markets. The absolute floor for China should be $50-60 million and it would have to pretty much crap the bed in every single major market left (35+% drops) to fall under $40 million combined.

So like I said, $340-350m is a fair estimate. I don't see it going below $325m and if we get some good news then $375m is on the table. If it breaks out in China then we could see low $400s.

JMHO

I think China is a fickle market though. Tarzan did 40M, Ninja Turtles 58M, Independence Day 75M. Not sure why Trek would do any better than those. 80-120M would put it in the same ballpark as Batman v. Superman which is hard to imagine for me.

It looks like Beyond is under performing STiD by about 30%+ in a lot of foreign markets already.

 

[urbandefault]

You know it's been a rough stretch when a seven-year-old movie is still "new"

Both 09 and ID still feel new to me. (At my age, seven years is like a week 40 years ago.)

I guess I'm not as jaded as some fans.

 

[KGator]

I think China is a fickle market though. Tarzan did 40M, Ninja Turtles 58M, Independence Day 75M. Not sure why Trek would do any better than those. 80-120M would put it in the same ballpark as Batman v. Superman which is hard to imagine for me.

It looks like Beyond is under performing STiD by about 30%+ in a lot of foreign markets already.

Tarzan is still an active release in China. It is up to $45m after Saturday. It will end about there.

Let's assume that STB did an average of Tarzan, Ninja Turtles and IDR. That would put its box office at $59 million. That would be a slight increase over STID. And to reach this under or barely $300m plateau that some people are talking about ALL markets would have to fall about 30% (China would have to be less than $40m). You can't have the single biggest market not fall and still end up below $300 million worldwide unless the other non-China markets all drop over 50% . . . and that's just seems like a big stretch. Sure it could happen but it would be such a shock that the franchise would surely be shelved by Paramount while they tried and figure out "WTH just happened".

We will know better about China as September approaches and we can see what local movies it is competing against. I still think it does closer to something between Independence Day: Resurgence and X-Men: Apocalypse ($75-120m).

 

[BillJ]

Beyond hasn't been an outright bomb like Nemesis, but its now certain Beyond will be the second Trek movie in franchise history (Nemesis being the first) not to recoup its production costs at the domestic box office.

I'm not so certain...

For a movie that made the cover of Time Magazine (Generations), trumpeting the meeting of Kirk and Picard, the box office total was pretty weak. 15th for the year according to BoxOfficeMojo.

But, playing the same game we play with the Abrams films. The movie grossed $118 million worldwide, half of that goes to the theaters, which would be $59 million. Which means Paramount brought home $59 million. When you factor in Print and Advertising, it probably left theaters still in the red.

Using the formulas we normally use, only First Contact from the TNG films, looked to have left the theater having made a profit.

It doesn't make Beyond's performance any better. But, hopefully, it puts to rest the notion that if only Paramount made cheaper films, the financial results would be better.

 

[PixelMagic]

So there's pretty much no chance a Star Trek 4 is happening at this point, right?

 

[BillJ]

So there's pretty much no chance a Star Trek 4 is happening at this point, right?

Only Paramount knows. It is their money.

 

[Neumann]

So there's pretty much no chance a Star Trek 4 is happening at this point, right?

I'm afraid that this is the last one. I sure hope to be proven wrong

 

[CorporalClegg]

Star Trek 4 is a given.

 

[Shadowknight1]

So there's pretty much no chance a Star Trek 4 is happening at this point, right?

As many have already stated, despite being the lowest grossing of the three Kelvin Timeline movies so far(it's only been 2 weeks for crying out loud!), it's still the highest grossing film that Paramount's put out this year.

 

[BillJ]

I think the other thing that shouldn't be discounted, is that these big budget movies should ideally serve an advertising function for smaller budgeted films. If you have a $30 million dollar comedy coming out, you're going to get it in front of a massive amount of eyeballs with these larger films.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...e_theaters_decide_which_trailers_to_show.html

The "quadrant" system. As many as six trailers play before features at major chains, like AMC and Regal. The studio releasing a given film typically has automatic rights to two of these slots, and theater executives (in consultation with higher-ups from various studios) select the remaining four.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Speaking of $30m comedies, I think it would be best to continue the trend:

Star Trek 4 should be in the same vein as Star Trek IV.

It's really their best play.

 

[Noname Given]

damnit its starting to feel like Nemesis all over again! (cmon China!)

As bad as STB's box office is, it's nowhere near the nuclear bomb Box office result from ST:NEM.

 

[fireproof78]

So much doom and gloom.

We have three new movies, and a new series on the way. This should be a time for Trekkies to be happy, not predicting the end of the franchise.

This, just this. Paramount will spend its money however they want to.

 

[Trekfan12]

yeah maybe Zoe could just cameo in next one. Cho/Pegg/Urban be ok doing the same (maybe even less for Pegg and Cho)

as for the 1701-A could simplify the bridge not so apple store/bright make it more like the original movies

I like your apple store reference to the bridge. It felt so antiseptic, not like a work space like the original series (or like the original movies.)

 

[Tyr]

I like your apple store reference to the bridge. It felt so antiseptic, not like a work space like the original series (or like the original movies.)

Yeah, the new ship interiors literally cried "I'm a set". They always looked fake to me. Too sterile, too artsy, too impractical.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Because Star Trek bridges have always been the model of practical functionality and feng shui.

 

[Trekkin]

It felt so antiseptic, not like a work space like the original series (or like the original movies.)

Those consoles will explode if anyone so much as sneezes on them. The characters better hope the place is 'antiseptic.'

In all honestly, I'm just glad they didn't decide to ape TNG's 'grandmas home cinema' look. With all that empty space, Picard could have gone the whole hog and set up a pool table if he'd wanted to.