It is tough to take someone's opinion seriously when they don't know the simple science of a given subject. The opinion ends up being gibberish, as you proved above.
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It is tough to take someone's opinion seriously when they don't know the simple science of a given subject. The opinion ends up being gibberish, as you proved above.
So, it's perfectly okay for you to be intolerant of people because of a biological trait they're born with, but people can't criticize your choice as an adult to be intolerant based on ignorance? Nope, sorry, it doesn't work that way.
Your thread was in GTD at the time and that was a completely different mod than me. It got moved here after that. Miscellaneous is allowed to feature controversial topics, but it's not appropriate in GenTrek.
Plus, going back and reading your post, it seems like your understanding of homosexuality and the biology behind it is as poor as your understanding of what hermaphrodites are, yet you are equally intolerant of both. Perhaps you should educate yourself before you start declaring so many things immoral.
@VulcanMindBlown : I removed that anti-LGBT tangent when the thread was in GTD after it threatened to derail the thread multiple times from people arguing with it. You're lucky I didn't just close the thread when you started off on that kind of note. I was trying to give the thread a chance over there by steering it back on what was supposed to be its topic.
Also, your words are preserved in the many posts that quoted them...including the second post in the thread, which was by me.
Also, your words are preserved in the many posts that quoted them...including the second post in the thread, which was by me.
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I'll end this thread with (hopefully I am not bumping).... when they put Christianity into Star Trek, it's usually pretty bad. Look at Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. There was mention of an episode referencing Christ. That comes from a person who is trying to be a Pastor for a living.
Star Trek is based on Secular Humanism. The series would not have gotten off the ground without the theory of Evolution and "promote diversity in light of not including God". It's not that there is anything wrong with it, it's just not what I believe and what I use instead of the Bible. Regardless, Star Trek does preach to us about morals, like almost anything in life, and some Star Trek fans treat it as the Bible.
This is not what I wanted to talk about. However, I will leave it at this: what is considered science is sometimes based on who controls the science. For instance, the Catholic Church controlled science, they said that the world was flat. It isn't. I would argue that that is a misinterpretation of the Bible. If Conservative Christians were in control of science, most people walking down the street would agree with the fundamentalist view on things. However, nowadays, since about the 20th century, the people who were interested in science who more likely to be Liberal and/or Secular. Delete this post if you want and call it a tangent, but it's an example of what I believe and why I am defending it.
Star Trek is based on Secular Humanism. The series would not have gotten off the ground without the theory of Evolution and "promote diversity in light of not including God". It's not that there is anything wrong with it, it's just not what I believe and what I use instead of the Bible. Regardless, Star Trek does preach to us about morals, like almost anything in life, and some Star Trek fans treat it as the Bible.
This is not what I wanted to talk about. However, I will leave it at this: what is considered science is sometimes based on who controls the science. For instance, the Catholic Church controlled science, they said that the world was flat. It isn't. I would argue that that is a misinterpretation of the Bible. If Conservative Christians were in control of science, most people walking down the street would agree with the fundamentalist view on things. However, nowadays, since about the 20th century, the people who were interested in science who more likely to be Liberal and/or Secular. Delete this post if you want and call it a tangent, but it's an example of what I believe and why I am defending it.
When was this? Even in Columbus's time, every educated person knew that the world was round. That whole "Columbus proved the world was round when nobody believed it" thing is a fabricated story. Everybody knew the Earth was round, Columbus just thought (an unpopular, unscientific opinion) that it was smaller than it really was. He was wrong.
When the supporting evidence for your assumption is wrong, it's a good sign that your assumption is likely to be wrong, too.
Actually the Catholic Church never taught that the world was flat, and the spherical (or as we more accurately know now: oblate spheroid) shape of the Earth has been widely accepted in Europe since the time of Aristotle. The myth that Catholics were flat-earthers was started by Protestant scholars to discredit the Church, and the myth that all the supposedly scientifically ignorant people of the Middle Ages, erroneously labelled the "Dark Ages", were flat-earthers was started by Enlightenment scholars to show how much more... well, enlightened they were. So your premise is a non-starter.
This is a lot of bullshit verbal gymnastics to go through to say that you find gay people (which again, are not the same thing as hermaphrodites) icky, but you do you, bud.
Have I deleted any of your posts? Your faux persecution complex is extraordinary. Feel free to continue to defend your stupid argument that hermaphrodites and homosexuals are the same thing in the face of the liberal-gay-science complex's agenda to properly define things, hero.
Now feel free to notify on this post like all the others and send me a dozen PMs, because talking at your brick wall is so productive.
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What on God's Green Earth are you talking about?
Who controls science?
You've got it all ass-backwards. Scientists tend to be secular and liberal because of what they discover, not the other way around. The pursuit of science leads us to understanding of evolution (the world is not 6,000 years old), genetics (people are born the way they are), and so forth. Since the first Greek climbed Mount Olympus and discovered that Zeus wasn't there, science has replaced the ignorance and fear that religion feed off of with measurable, replicate-able facts. The "fundamentalist view of science" is demonstrably, factually wrong. Build all the creation museums and imitation Arks you wish, it doesn't change tangible, know-able reality.
The only power being challenged by science is that of the people who profit from fear and ignorance.
And guess who's at the top of that list??
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I'm not certain I understand why my post was quoted. Your response here has nothing to do with it. Did you accidentally multi-quote?
Given his track record in this thread, I'm not sure he's certain why he quoted your post, either.
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Yeah, it just caught me off guard because I don't recall saying anything about what he or she was discussing.
This thread has been a disconcertingly perfect example of why many nonreligious people are cynical about religious people.
That can go both ways.
It would be interesting to see if Trek, which portrayed other (albeit alien) beliefs with fairness and a look at both sides of the coin (bad and good individuals/incidents, etc), could actually portray a Christian character/theme sincerely and fairly.
Two TOS fanfics I've written in an attempt to do so; one is a 23rd century re-telling of the prodigal son, while the other includes a miraculous "what are the odds" story. The latter also has a Christian original character.
Two TOS fanfics I've written in an attempt to do so; one is a 23rd century re-telling of the prodigal son, while the other includes a miraculous "what are the odds" story. The latter also has a Christian original character.
How so?
Seems like you answered your own question
That is to say, could the writers of the series bring themselves to do it?
Incidentally, would you like to read them?
Incidentally, would you like to read them?
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1. Dunno..hard to handle complex, touchy issues in 45 minutes
2. Yes please
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11144477/1/The-Best-Robe
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11216987/1/Image-Of-The-Invisible
I also have a Q and A section at the end to address questions about my plot decisions.
Happy reading.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11216987/1/Image-Of-The-Invisible
I also have a Q and A section at the end to address questions about my plot decisions.
Happy reading.
I said it can go both ways, not necessarily that it's happened much in this thread. Although there have been several offhand remarks that, on their own, are mostly harmless, but seeing several of them tend to bug you. I'm not going to call out or quote anyone here since it's been pretty civil so far.
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