What do you want to see in Star Trek 4?

[Mudd]

The next one will be whatever Paramount and Bad Robot believe is necessary to bring in big audiences in places like China, even more so than this one. Pegg's script was likely the one shot at getting anything much like the old Star Trek in any way; if it had made more than STID then maybe they'd have tried it again. As it is, STB will remain only the third most successful Star Trek movie.

 

[Cyrus]

A more comedic movie like the original ST4, Maybe introducing Harcourt Fenton Mudd.

 

[The Wormhole]

A new creative and production team. No villain. Smaller budget (not more than 100 - 125 million). Less action, more story. More character development. Make it ordinary, thought provoking. Let's make it Star Trek.

Star Trek is at its most popular when it's action packed. Even on TV. TOS is an action show. A number of the episode might also have morals, but that doesn't stop it from being action.

And TNG's most popular episodes include one set in an alternate timeline where the Enterprise is a warship, and a two-part episode in which the Federation is under the threat of annihilation by the Borg.

Star Trek has never really been "thought provoking sci-fi." The only time it attempted to be was TMP, and that had mixed results at best. Star Trek when it works is a combination of action and character drama, which is what Beyond was.

 

[BillJ]

I can't wait for the backlash when CBS debuts the new series. Fans will wail and gnash their teeth, and call for the end of small screen Trek.

The teeth-gnashing will be pretty sweet when people realize Discovery isn't a rerun of 90's Trek.

 

[Ovation]

Unless it actually IS a rerun of 90's Trek.

(of course, that'll just mean different people will be gnashing their teeth--there will DEFINITELY be gnashing of teeth, regardless)

 

[Kemaiku]

A more comedic movie like the original ST4, Maybe introducing Harcourt Fenton Mudd.

In the comics, Harry retired to Bajor and got married. Harriot "Harry" Mudd, his daughter, took over the family business.

 

[BillJ]

Unless it actually IS a rerun of 90's Trek.

(of course, that'll just mean different people will be gnashing their teeth--there will DEFINITELY be gnashing of teeth, regardless)

TV has moved on. They try to do the 90's again, it'll get laughed off the screen. I've gotta be honest, the first episode of Mr. Robot is smarter and more socially relevant than the 27 seasons of Trek combined. It hurts to say that, because I am a huge fan of Star Trek, but audiences have moved on.

 

[Ovation]

TV has moved on. They try to do the 90's again, it'll get laughed off the screen. I've gotta be honest, the first episode of Mr. Robot is smarter and more socially relevant than the 27 seasons of Trek combined. It hurts to say that, because I am a huge fan of Star Trek, but audiences have moved on.

I agree (haven't seen the Robot show but I take your point).

 

[Mudd]

A new creative and production team. No villain. Smaller budget (not more than 100 - 125 million). Less action, more story. More character development. Make it ordinary, thought provoking. Let's make it Star Trek.

Sorry, none of that - Paramount's not going to start paying people to attend their movies.

 

[Tribble puncher]

TV has moved on. They try to do the 90's again, it'll get laughed off the screen. I've gotta be honest, the first episode of Mr. Robot is smarter and more socially relevant than the 27 seasons of Trek combined. It hurts to say that, because I am a huge fan of Star Trek, but audiences have moved on.

I agree also, and I also hate to say it. Personally, I'd love to see Trek 4 try a Story without a villain, Not a rehash of V'Ger or the Whale probe, but....something besides a villain. If such a film were made, and even if I enjoyed it to pieces, iit would more than likely be a massive bomb on the level of "Jupiter Acending" or "Jon Carter", and while I hope that Star Trek Discovery is a good show, something tells me that we will get one season at most, people en masse are not going to sign up and pay 8 dollars a month just to watch it, plus Piracy will probably be a nightmare, I'm willing to bet more people will watch torrented copies of "Discovery" than actual subscribers. I think this series and Trek 4 will be Treks last gasp for quite awhile, (maybe perminantly).

 

[BillJ]

Sorry, none of that - Paramount's not going to start paying people to attend their movies.

You don't think that the way to get people to spend $15 on a movie ticket is to make the film more ordinary?!?

 

[Mudd]

You don't think that the way to get people to spend $15 on a movie ticket is to make the film more ordinary?!?

What, you don't think the world's crying out for more Mama Roddenberry's mac-and-cheese ?

The world's full of people who will pay big-time to watch stuffy middle-aged actors declaim about IDIC for ten minutes at a stretch.

 

[BillJ]

I say the next film should be Kirk and Spock vs. intergalactic drug runners. Give audiences something that has some relevance to their lives that they care about.

Star Trek is going to be a tough nut to crack going forward for the studio.

 

[Mudd]

Maybe they'll spend the money on Mission Impossible instead and go cheap on TV.

 

[BillJ]

What, you don't think the world's crying out for more Mama Roddenberry's mac-and-cheese ?

I think it is safe to say that hungry folks find the recipe stale and are looking for other things to eat.

I honestly don't know? I thought Beyond was a fun movie and well worth the money I've spent to see it. But it, like Star Trek for the last thirty years, hasn't reinvented the wheel.

Earth sells better, Star Trek is about deep space. Society seems to be in love with anti-heroes that buck authority, Star Trek is about the military.

 

[BillJ]

Kirk in a career rut, Spock worried about going home and making baby Vulcans. I can see how that doesn't exactly light the imagination of general audiences.

 

[One Lucky Red Shirt]

Im all about a good villian and action. But hows about a villian who is not all about revenge? Lets see a very good ship battle between the new E and another ship. Evenly matched or almost equal.

 

[JWPlatt]

Das Boot is a good example of that (or Balance of Terror). It needs a reason or environment. Das Boot had World War Two. What's the epic setup for this ship battle? That's what will set the stakes and make it interesting.

 

[F. King Daniel]

More of the same. That's what I want for Star Trek 4.

 

[photon70]

Well, it's the low road or the high road. There's no in between.

Either Paramount goes gangbusters and cough up something like $225m for a multi-crew story or we get a smaller movie for $125m.

Something like 'All Good Things' or 'Yesterday's Enterprise' would be what I'd say are good multi-crew stories.

Something like 'The Inner Light', 'Errand of Mercy', 'Devil in the Dark' or 'City of the Edge . . ' would be what I'd say are good smaller stories.

Trying to do a generic 'kill the bad guy' summer blockbuster for $160-$180m doesn't seem to be getting us anywhere, ie, not breaking out of the $500m ceiling.

And in a summer where there were two major movies plus a bunch of smaller ones EACH week, another kill the bad guy movie hasn't sparked the interest of the general public.