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Does anyone know how Beyond is tracking for its opening weekend?

Also, clearly, Marvel presents more than just formulaic stuff - or it would have never been popular.

I've seen them all at the theater (my wife likes them and even she agrees they are repetitive) and they all are pretty much the same movies with the same plot beats. When I saw Age of Ultron, I turned to my wife half way through and said it was pretty much the same exact movie as the first Avengers.
 
Well this is not good. Beyond only brought in $6.7 million on Friday night dropping it to third place behind Jason Bourne and Bad Moms.

Box Office Mojo is now saying Beyond will come in third this weekend with about $23 million. That drop will officially label Beyond as a box office disappointment.
This is a surprise. genuinely bad, because I expected $8 million Friday.

Beyond is a good film, better reviewed than almost any action film this year, with a high fan grade. Bourne was rotten on RT the last I looked. It's kind of a puzzle why it would be dropping.
 
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The reason Marvel stuff continously does well is because it appeals to kids, and that's what does well at the box office these days. Younger viewers aren't interested in Trek.
 
Well this is not good. Beyond only brought in $6.7 million on Friday night dropping it to third place behind Jason Bourne and Bad Moms.

Box Office Mojo is now saying Beyond will come in third this weekend with about $23 million. That drop will officially label Beyond as a box office disappointment.
Wow. I was never optimistic about Beyond's box office chances, but I never expected it to perform this badly.
 
Holy shit! A 69% drop is BRUTAL. Let's really hope and pray that the rest of the weekend does better.

If you ask me, what tanked Beyond wasn't Beyond, but Into Darkness. A movie needs general audiences to be succcessfull. But for stuff to be successfull it need pre-release buzz. And the people who create buzz are the hardcore fans.

Into Darkness
was well liked by general audiences. But it was hated by fans, to a degree we saw NOTHING in terms of excitement from the fans for Beyond. Most Trekkies loved it, but all of them were surprised that it was good. General audiences saw "just another sequel", that not even their uber-nerd Trekkie-fans showed any excitement for.

I would have put my money on a weak(-ish) opening, but strong legs. But apparently the competition this year was brutal in numbers as well, and people general seemed to show no interest in sequels anymore.

A 69% drop. I still cannot believe it. Damn.
 
This is absurd. In every possible way. Star Trek's worst enemy are the fans themselves. I'm starting to dislike more and more these loud "fan" rants where everything new is shit. I used no be able to read through them but now with how the fan press is connected to what the "experts" say we get stuff like this. ID was nowhere near the bottom but very well near the top, it was not perfect but it was a great movie, just like Beyond.
I sure want to see how an even more adult oriented TV series shown online will bring in new fans. Star Trek needs new fans, specially of the young kind. (Pre 15)
 
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At times like these, I wish Disney would buy Star Trek... Say what you will, but look at how they market Marvel and Star Wars... I still feel Star Trek has the potential to be this really big mainstream franchise, but Paramount is just the worst studio.... I know box office shouldn't be that important; I'm content that Beyond is a great film... But still, box office determines the future of Trek... And in that regard, this is a black weekend.......
 
Into Darkness was well liked by general audiences. But it was hated by fans...

This just doesn't hold up under any kind of scrutiny. Did you look at the poll for Into Darkness from this very site? Around 900 folks voted and 75% of them voted it as a 'B-' or better. Not exactly how I define "hate".
 
The reason Marvel stuff continously does well is because it appeals to kids, and
that's what does well at the box office these days. Younger viewers aren't interested in Trek.

Yes I agree, when me and my sister went to see beyond. my sister pointed out that she was the youngest person in cinema and my sister is in her mids 20s.
there were no kids in my cinema unlike marvel or star wars.
I am proud to be a trek fan, a star wars fan and a traditional marvel fan as I dislike MCU movies but I know trek is more of an adult thing only and the box office reflects it.
 
Yes I agree, when me and my sister went to see beyond. my sister pointed out that she was the youngest person in cinema and my sister is in her mids 20s.
there were no kids in my cinema unlike marvel or star wars.
I am proud to be a trek fan, a star wars fan and a traditional marvel fan as I dislike MCU movies but I know trek is more of an adult thing only and the box office reflects it.
And that is why Star Trek needs to have a Strategy for once. Is there an overall strategy behind what is being done? Nope. Paramount makes movies and CBS was just milking the cow up until now. There is a new series in the works but what else? A series by itself won't cut it today unless it's considered stellar from day one.

Most if not all of you got introduced to Star Trek at a young age. and this needs to be done again. I'm a TOS fan and I only see grandpas watching it with me and some kids who were forced to come along by their parents. I doesn't look very good.
 
This just doesn't hold up under any kind of scrutiny. Did you look at the poll for Into Darkness from this very site? Around 900 folks voted and 75% of them voted it as a 'B-' or better. Not exactly how I define "hate".
Anyone that posts on a Star Trek forum is a very hardcore fan relatively speaking, so that poll isn't very representative of a lot of the people out there that like Trek. It's also skewed by the fact people tend to rate movies better right after they see them because they're still "high" from the experience.

STiD has gotten a really strange reception. It has seemingly good reviews, but when I talk to people in real life about it they usually say they didn't like it, and if they do like it they can't remember anything about it other than the TWOK reenactment at the end which they usually say they didn't like.

A lot of the general public that "liked" the film, only liked it on a very surface level. They enjoyed the experience of watching it in the theater, then they forgot about it. It didn't make them curious to seek out more Trek, it didn't make them interested to see the next installment of the franchise.
 
That drop unfortunate, and honestly surprising.

Box office grosses aren't entirely about a movie's quality, although great movies will tend to draw in more due to word of mouth and multiple viewings while terrible movies will generally tank. Otherwise, box office is often correlated with what the audience wants to watch. If someone is looking for a comedy, they're not going to go see Beyond.

Star Trek movies currently fall into sci-fi action-adventure... which ironically puts them in roughly the same category as comic book adaptations and Star Wars. Unlike it's competition, though, Star Trek isn't a power fantasy. Superheroes do things that no one aside from their peers can. In Star Wars, Jedi and Sith have the power to change the course of an entire galaxy's future. Power fantasies seem to appeal to a lot of people of all ages. Strength of the individual matters a lot, and the locus of control is almost entirely internal to the individual... or at least those movies try to portray it that way by focusing on the individual (like Kylo Ren dueling with Finn and Rey while Starkiller Base is being attacked).

I don't think it has anything to do with stigma, or older versus newer versions, or Into Darkness (which audiences could have dumped like Insurrection or Nemesis if they had really wanted). Maybe Star Trek really is a niche product, trying to appeal to new audiences but unable to fully break from its space opera roots. Friendship, cooperation, interplanetary politics, and starships (and the occasional superweapon). Success through hard work, ingenuity, and cooperation. These themes are present in other movies too, but the focus is different in Star Trek.

Final possibility: maybe I'm just grasping at straws. Maybe other movies really are just more appealing than Star Trek, and I'm too much of a Trekkie to see it.
 
Holy shit! A 69% drop is BRUTAL. Let's really hope and pray that the rest of the weekend does better.

If you ask me, what tanked Beyond wasn't Beyond, but Into Darkness. A movie needs general audiences to be succcessfull. But for stuff to be successfull it need pre-release buzz. And the people who create buzz are the hardcore fans.

Into Darkness
was well liked by general audiences. But it was hated by fans, to a degree we saw NOTHING in terms of excitement from the fans for Beyond. Most Trekkies loved it, but all of them were surprised that it was good. General audiences saw "just another sequel", that not even their uber-nerd Trekkie-fans showed any excitement for.

I would have put my money on a weak(-ish) opening, but strong legs. But apparently the competition this year was brutal in numbers as well, and people general seemed to show no interest in sequels anymore.

A 69% drop. I still cannot believe it. Damn.

A 69% drop is devastating and while when all things are said and done Beyond will probably squeak a profit, these does leave the future of the JJ Trek in question. It's clear Trek appears to have lost a more general audience. I would venture to say Star Trek 4 is now in question ... even though it has the green light doesn't mean it's going to happen.
 
This is absurd. In every possible way. Star Trek's worst enemy are the fans themselves. I'm starting to dislike more and more these loud "fan" rants where everything new is shit.

Yeah sometimes.

The hostility toward Discovery's teaser covers us in shame. I can't believe how frankly ignorant some of the responses have been - like some people seemingly thinking it was finished CGI from a show that hasn't been shot yet. And just the general entitlement in hating something, without knowing anything at all about it, after waiting 10 years.

I think it's alright to point out some of the things you don't like in something - like I enjoyed the new movies, but there are a couple of thinks I didn't like - but when criticism that isn't constructive, loving, and respectful, it comes off really bad. Can you imagine Star Wars fans acting like this in the lead up to The Force Awakens?
 
Anyone that posts on a Star Trek forum is a very hardcore fan relatively speaking, so that poll isn't very representative of a lot of the people out there that like Trek. It's also skewed by the fact people tend to rate movies better right after they see them because they're still "high" from the experience.

STiD has gotten a really strange reception. It has seemingly good reviews, but when I talk to people in real life about it they usually say they didn't like it, and if they do like it they can't remember anything about it other than the TWOK reenactment at the end which they usually say they didn't like.

A lot of the general public that "liked" the film, only liked it on a very surface level. They enjoyed the experience of watching it in the theater, then they forgot about it. It didn't make them curious to seek out more Trek, it didn't make them interested to see the next installment of the franchise.

STID reception is suffering from the cool crowd reception. its cool to hate STID because everyone seems to. its like the star wars prequels where its cool to hate it because everyone seems to hate it,

I gave STID a strong 7.5/10. the film fell apart at the end but 2/3 of the film was great.
 
Final possibility: maybe I'm just grasping at straws. Maybe other movies really are just more appealing than Star Trek, and I'm too much of a Trekkie to see it.
Sorry, but I think this is the case. Star Trek is competing in the very crowded summer blockbuster category and it doesn't stand out as a must see to most people. If you remove the Star Trek brand from the film there's nothing that makes Beyond stand out. But there are other ways to go about things.

Let's look at The Martian. The Martian pulled in $630 million at the box office. It wasn't trying to compete with Age of Ultron or Jurassic World or Force Awakens. It was offering an alternative to the summer action blockbuster and it raked in big bucks. Star Trek should take a lesson.
 
That drop unfortunate, and honestly surprising.

Final possibility: maybe I'm just grasping at straws. Maybe other movies really are just more appealing than Star Trek, and I'm too much of a Trekkie to see it.

I think there are a number of factors that could explain what is going on here but I believe the biggest issue was that Trek has gotten lost in the shuffle and the general audience has basically lost its interest. The lack of promotion and buzz around Beyond until about a month before it came out is a major factor. Outside of the fandom people weren't paying attention and I know numerous people who are casual fans didn't even know a new Trek movie was coming out. I think Paramount has done a pretty crappy job at keeping the franchise alive between movies. Also I think if the movie had debuted in May like the previous two Trek movies (or even June) it would have done a bit better...the second half of the summer has been brutal for non-animated movies.

I know Trek fans get upset when others have said this but it has to be said, the relaunch of the Star Wars franchise has stolen a lot of Trek's thunder. When it comes to movies, Star Wars is a more general audience pleaser than Star Trek.

Box Office isn't the sign of a movie's quality. There are plenty of good movies that bomb and plenty of mediocre films that are big hits. Beyond is a good movie, but it appears we could really be at the end of the road from JJ Treks.
 
Star Trek will never be a big Star Wars franchise.

It will always be more of a niche market and everyone should except that.

When you're dumbing down Star Trek to get a bigger audience, you do not only not get that bigger audience, you also lose the diehard fans. You lose everything.

Star Trek movies should be made on a smaller budget with less action and special effects and focus more on story and characters. That way you probably won't get a 500 + million movie, but with a 75 - 100 million budget, a 250/300 million revenue is fantastic.
 
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