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Does anyone know how Beyond is tracking for its opening weekend?

Stop panicking lol

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In all seriousness, at the moment, I'm having trouble seeing Beyond finishing globally with even $300m. The film's a disaster. The US 7 day opening gross is $20m (20%) down on Into Darkness. The UK took $6.9m on opening weekend compared to Darkness' $13m, a 47% drop. Germany receipts are a third down, $4.3m opening weekend for Beyond against $6.3m for Darkness.
 
In all seriousness, at the moment, I'm having trouble seeing Beyond finishing globally with even $300m. The film's a disaster. The US 7 day opening gross is $20m (20%) down on Into Darkness. The UK took $6.9m on opening weekend compared to Darkness' $13m, a 47% drop. Germany receipts are a third down, $4.3m opening weekend for Beyond against $6.3m for Darkness.

Luckily we all know how biased you are against the nuTrek movies so your statistics are pretty much meaningless.
 
I have a hard time seeing Beyond finishing below $300 million worldwide, China and some other places haven't even opened yet.

But I can easily see Paramount right now examining its options going forward. Is this just a bust because of the overall Summer slump? Or is it something deeper? Relatively speaking, the first two films did very well for Paramount. Well enough that Chinese investors bought into helping finance Beyond.

I wouldn't want to be the person who had to decide what to do next.
 
They made a better, more entertaining movie than Into Darkness, don't know what else they could have done to get butts in seats. I want to see this one again. After the dust settled, I had no desire to see ID again. It was on Netflix and I didn't even rewatch it then.
 
box office prophets thinks it will bring in 34 million dollar this weekend. which is a very good drop.
 
I hate to be 'that' person but does anyone thing that perhaps Anton's death had anything to do with it? There were some who people who thought it would be a bit too 'much' to go see a movie in which one of the actors had literally just passed away.

Or the change in the Sulu character? We know it was a little more than a blink and you'll miss it moment....but is it possible?
 
Maybe people have gotten tired of too many "stop the supervillain + CGI & explosions" movies.
 
Yeah I never liked super-villains, or super-characters of any kind in Trek, I always preferred a political enemy, like something out of Tom Clancy - a foreign state with a hostile ideology, or something. Even Khan wasn't really superhuman in the comic books sense - just in the eugenic (more adapted to some conditions) sense.

The new films have straddled the line between the supervillain fad created by Marvel's good writing, and the more down to earth villains of old Trek - thankfully they haven't gone full comic (with lone people inventing and building entire doomsday weapons) or full manga (and tried to ninja-ify everything), despite having Sulu do a katana-backflip.
 
Maybe people have gotten tired of too many "stop the supervillain + CGI & explosions" movies.

I know my husband has. He told me he is tired of it all after the last X-men movie. No BvsS, no Independence Day, no Deadpool...he is not the least bit interested in Suicide Squad. He's mildly interested in Wonder Woman but then that doesn't look like a mega 'let's see how much stuff we can blow up' movie.
 
I hate to be 'that' person but does anyone thing that perhaps Anton's death had anything to do with it? There were some who people who thought it would be a bit too 'much' to go see a movie in which one of the actors had literally just passed away.

Or the change in the Sulu character? We know it was a little more than a blink and you'll miss it moment....but is it possible?

I don't know...did Heath Ledger's death before The Dark Knight was released, or Brandon Lee's death before The Crow was released, have any impact on those films?

And Sulu walking around a space station for five seconds with his arm wrapped around a man would hardly be a reason why people would not go see a movie.
 
I hate to be 'that' person but does anyone thing that perhaps Anton's death had anything to do with it? There were some who people who thought it would be a bit too 'much' to go see a movie in which one of the actors had literally just passed away.

Or the change in the Sulu character? We know it was a little more than a blink and you'll miss it moment....but is it possible?
Both those things helped generate publicity for the movie, and probably helped it if anything.
 
Yeah. I think the bigger problem is that superhero/action/blockbuster movies have flooded the market in the last few years. Remember: the JJ-reboot was conceived before the "Avengers" and all their imitators existed.

The reboot Trek is basically a 3rd tier stop-the-badguy/disaster/action blockbuster movie now, wheraes it instead should be the king of the medium sized science fiction - summer movie.

It basically can't compete in the action/superhero blockbuster realm anymore, for which the JJverse was originally conceived. ST4 will remain to try do be there. But after that, I think they have to scale down a bit back, put more focus on what makes Star Trek unique and focus and expand on it's target audience, instead of trying to streamline it for mainstream audience. The scifi-nicé is a consistent moneymaker (look at all the Tom Cruise or Ridley Scott scifi movies), you just have to scale your budget accordingly.
 
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box office prophets thinks it will bring in 34 million dollar this weekend. which is a very good drop.
I'm predicting $30-32 million. STID made $37 million its second weekend. So it would be a good hold.
 
Unfortunately, studio polls have always shown that political plots and arcs are very unpopular in Star Trek. I kind of like them myself.

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Yeah I never liked super-villains, or super-characters of any kind in Trek, I always preferred a political enemy, like something out of Tom Clancy - a foreign state with a hostile ideology, or something. Even Khan wasn't really superhuman in the comic books sense - just in the eugenic (more adapted to some conditions) sense.

The new films have straddled the line between the supervillain fad created by Marvel's good writing, and the more down to earth villains of old Trek - thankfully they haven't gone full comic (with lone people inventing and building entire doomsday weapons) or full manga (and tried to ninja-ify everything), despite having Sulu do a katana-backflip.
 
Yeah. I think the bigger problem is that superhero/action/blockbuster movies have flooded the market in the last few years.

The reboot Trek is basically a 3rd tier stop-the-badguy/disaster/action blockbuster movie, wheraes it instead should be the king of the medium sized science fiction - summer movie.

It basically can't compete in the action/superhero blockbuster realm anymore, for which the JJverse movie were conceived at a time before the "Avengers" existed. ST4 will remain to try do be there. But after that, I think they have to scale down a bit back, put more focus on what makes Star Trek unique and focus and expand on it's target audience, instead of trying to streamline it for mainstream audience. The scifi-nicé is a consistent moneymaker (look at all the Tom Cruise or Ridley Scott scifi movies), you just have to scale your budget accordingly.

I feel like nuTrek (esp STB) is alittle John Carterish - its 'the original' but theres been Star Wars:TFA, Guardians etc which have taken the sheen off 'the original' (so to speak). I can imagine some kids taken to see STB and coming out saying that was kind of like Guardians or TFA.
 
I have a hard time seeing Beyond finishing below $300 million worldwide, China and some other places haven't even opened yet.

But I can easily see Paramount right now examining its options going forward. Is this just a bust because of the overall Summer slump? Or is it something deeper? Relatively speaking, the first two films did very well for Paramount. Well enough that Chinese investors bought into helping finance Beyond.

I wouldn't want to be the person who had to decide what to do next.
Looks like $200 million US. China: Maybe $100 million. $100 million rest of the world. It's going to finish around $400 million. Distribution, downloads and disc sales will have to be what makes Paramount money.

After Alibaba and other production costs were covered I bet Paramount spend only $140-150 million on this movie, so they'll be fine.
 
The studios (and maybe public) seem to be under some misconception as to why Marvel is popular, and does not suffer burnout. Marvel is well written. It is faithful to it's origins. Kevin Feige makes sure they work as a movie first, but keeps them true to their spirit, and has fun, but does not condescend or disrespect the material. They end up succeeding because he knows their appeal was timeless to begin with, and only needs explaining again to attract people.

I'm not surprised people are burnt out on the work of other superhero franchises and studios, because they have never "got it". Batman vs Superman looks so dull and so far from what Marvel understands that I'm surprised anyone even wanted to see it; it's only the hype machine and DC brand loyalty made it profitable. They don't offer anything of what made people like comics back in the 1960s; just another washed out cynical dystopia that speaks nothing to us.

The Fox studios / X-Men series has been hit and miss, because some films like First Class, get what we want to see. But others skirt way too close to "stop the supervillain + CGI & explosions" being their only point. Every studio has tried to copy the Marvel franchise model recently, without really understanding it; maybe only Star Wars will succeed, just because of the level of understanding surrounding it - both are also notably under the same umbrella of Disney.

I don't think you can ever suffer burnout on something genuinely good, no matter how often it's repeated. I think burnout comes from slippage in the ideals that made the thing potent to begin with. When creative talent loses their joy, their reason and creative direction - their understanding - when they get lost as to the point. It's called writer's block in other terms.

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The problem from the get go with Star Trek's revival was that it was very canny in some ways, but unfaithful to the material in others. The show's TV outings had died a silent (but temporary) death in 2004, because it's creative team lost their sense of direction, after having worked on it since 1987 non-stop. The movie part of the franchise had died in 2002 because the studios couldn't even be bothered to hire a director who liked Star Trek, or understood it. Along came JJ Abrams in 2009, who was very canny in tying Star Trek to other elements of pop culture; the call-outs to classic uniforms and sets were very Marvel-like; the use of pop culture to bring revenue from other sources and streams (the Beastie Boys, Rihanna) into a franchise noted for keeping it's reserved distance from pop culture, at least opened up flows of liquidity and business confidence in the franchise. But the place many felt let the revival down is that he didn't quite understand the property as well as Kevin Feige and Joss Whedon understood Marvel, and so some of the humor came off as laughing at Star Trek, rather than loving humor, and some of the themes worked better than others. It was felt by some that the franchise wasn't being allowed to present it's timeless appeal in a new way, but being shoehorned into a different ideology, much closer to superhero reboots.

I would suggest if the films want to keep going, and from New Star Trek 3, reach New Star Trek 6 or higher, they need to perhaps experiment with other approaches - clearly fans loved Justin Lin doing exactly this, with his more Trekkie take. But how about at least trying a much more Tom Clancy-like political thriller, or Christoper Nolan/Ridley Scott-like cerebral thriller? Marvel does exactly this! Captain America: Civil War, is a Clancy political thriller. Thor: Ragnarok will probably be high fantasy. Also, what about other creative visions? While staying true to what Star Trek is, would Scott or Nolan be interested in doing one, in between Abrams and Lin's releases?

Perhaps Trek's future once again lies on TV - in learning the lessons from the movies - building an interlocking franchise on Netflix instead. Liquidity flowing in from multiple production partners. Big producers like Alex Kurtzman, Bryan Fuller, Heather Kadin and Rod Roddenbury. Multiple writing teams. More than one series, and more than one creative direction - shepherded by someone who understands it and believes in it like Feige. Unlike some cynics here, I have never had any doubt that Star Trek can be as expansive as Star Wars or Marvel - it's older and better than Star Wars - it is literally an infinite setting - it just needs people with both cunning and respect, like Feige.
 
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Marvel is well written.

Marvel is just as formulaic as the Abrams films, probably more so. They seem like the same movie over and over, just different folks wearing the tights.

...clearly fans loved Justin Lin doing exactly this, to some extent.

But general audiences are what make and break a film, and obviously, they don't seem so enamored with what Lin did here.
 
Well this is not good. Beyond only brought in $6.7 million on Friday night dropping it to third place behind Jason Bourne and Bad Moms.

Box Office Mojo is now saying Beyond will come in third this weekend with about $23 million. That drop will officially label Beyond as a box office disappointment.
 
@BillJ:

Which is why I say experiment - invite others like Ridley Scott or the Nolans or Markus and McFeeley to do one.

Also, clearly, Marvel presents more than just formulaic stuff - or it would have never been popular. Like Star Trek at it's best, it has a subtle world-view, which people enjoy. Perhaps a very pseudo-Chsitian one, about heroism. Star Trek's enlightenment humanism, I think, can propel it to similar heights if expressed properly. You will never win friends by changing who you are, is my thinking. But you can have a makeover.
 
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