'Star Trek: Discovery' will be the worst series.

[AdmiralBruno]

Women earn more than half of degrees in the US too. Do you see them lining up in droves to join the US Military?

Starfleet's primary purpose may be exploration, science, peace-keeping, but yes, it is also a military force. Women have VERY equitable opportunities in many developed countries that they do not choose to pursue. Why would this change in a few centuries? No reason to think so. Characters like Crusher and Troi are pretty realistic for what you'd expect the roles many would want.

Wanting something and it being true are very different things.

 

[urbandefault]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Trekkies sure do know how to suck all the fun out of being a fan.

(If you don't know what I mean, you're probably one of the fun-suckers.)

 

[T'Bonz]

Note: I am now watching this thread, so good behavior would be wise.

That is all.

 

[Relayer1]

The military isn't typically a further education destdestination. Men with degrees won't be exactly over represented there either.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The pilot should introduce the whitest, malest and straightest character ever and then Eddard Stark the hell out of him.

Starfleet officers don't seem to get chosen on the basis of their ability in hand-to-hand combat.

Just leave Worf alone!!!!!!!

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Trekkies sure do know how to suck all the fun out of being a fan.

(If you don't know what I mean, you're probably one of the fun-suckers.)

I'm totally confused by this, yet I don't feel like a fun-sucker.

 

[{ Emilia }]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Trekkies sure do know how to suck all the fun out of being a fan.

I will agree that it's rather frustrating to find intolerance in the fandom of a progressive show like Trek. But all things considered I think most people are looking forward to the new show and having fun here.

 

[AdmiralBruno]

The military isn't typically a further education destdestination. Men with degrees won't be exactly over represented there either.

I refer specifically to Officers

 

[{ Emilia }]

Women having "equal opportunities" is a very recent thing and even today it's mostly "in theory" because the people in positions of power are still mostly men. So of course we don't have equal representation in everything today. Things are improving, though. It just take a while and I'd be shocked to see no further improvement until the 23rd century.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I refer specifically to Officers

What's the officer to enlisted ratio?

 

[BigJake]

Women earn more than half of degrees in the US too. Do you see them lining up in droves to join the US Military?

Of course, in the real world, 25% of women who join the American military get sexually assaulted and 80% endure sexual harrassment. So it's maybe not like we're talking about some enlightened culture here. I get that Star Trek is to some extent the US Navy in space but it's presumably a version without those kinds of massive deterrents to recruitment of women. (And really, absent those kinds of factors there's no less reason for women to join Starfleet than there would be for them to go into any other high-risk profession. It's a commonplace of sexism to try to pass off subcultures that aggressively exclude and marginalize women as being the "natural" products of human sexuality, but the funny thing is the more you remove those pressures, the less likely it is for pretty much any profession to be dominated by a single gender.)

 

[BigJake]

I'm totally confused by this, yet I don't feel like a fun-sucker.

My pet theory is that urban just says that periodically to let us all know he's still alive.

 

[Jinn]

I don't think the advantage men have in upper body strength really matters a whole lot when pushing buttons or even firing a hand phaser.

But AdmiralBrunos point was that men are "more adventurous" than women. Cleeeeaarly Star Trek depicted more men than women because pressing buttons is a very adventurous and dangerous task.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Trekkies sure do know how to suck all the fun out of being a fan.

I'm not sure what you mean

(If you don't know what I mean, you're probably one of the fun-suckers.)

Oh crap.

 

[Long Syntax]

I will agree that it's rather frustrating to find intolerance in the fandom of a progressive show like Trek. But all things considered I think most people are looking forward to the new show and having fun here.

I'm actually surprised you're not banning people for having differing views. I wonder if the terms of service for this board will have a line item added insisting on progressives only.

 

[AdmiralBruno]

But AdmiralBrunos point was that men are "more adventurous" than women. Cleeeeaarly Star Trek depicted more men than women because pressing buttons is a very adventurous and dangerous task.


I'm not sure what you mean


Oh crap.

Yeah. They never go on dangerous away missions, or have serious threats to the ship.

Of course, in the real world, 25% of women who join the American military get sexually assaulted and 80% endure sexual harrassment. So it's maybe not like we're talking about some enlightened culture here. I get that Star Trek is to some extent the US Navy in space but it's presumably a version without those kinds of massive deterrents to recruitment of women. (And really, absent those kinds of factors there's no less reason for women to join Starfleet than there would be for them to go into any other high-risk profession. It's a commonplace of sexism to try to pass off subcultures that aggressively exclude and marginalize women as being the "natural" products of human sexuality, but the funny thing is the more you remove those pressures, the less likely it is for pretty much any profession to be dominated by a single gender.)

The quality of people nowadays isn't what it was in say the WWII generation. Also, this is more prevalent in enlisted ranks because the educated people are generally the Officers.

 

[Relayer1]

If we're saying physical attributes are that important (I.e. upper body strength) that rules out white male humans (well, all humans). Vulcans of either sex out muscle them.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

If we're saying physical attributes are that important (I.e. upper body strength) that rules out white male humans. Vulcans of either sex out muscle them.

Zing!

 

[{ Emilia }]

I'm actually surprised you're not banning people for having differing views. I wonder if the terms of service for this board will have a line item added insisting on progressives only.

Eh, I think it's pretty obvious that the mods are just fine with intense discussions as long as nobody is doing any racist, homophobic or sexist trolling. Seems like a reasonable bare minimum of civility that's expected here. If people want to just spread hate, there's the comment section on youtube.

The admin of this board (@T'Bonz) is a conservative, so are other mods. People can respectfully disagree over issues without resorting to hate speech or bigotry.

 

[RAMA]

I was looking forward to this new series, but we can be almost certain it's another prequel. ENOUGH with the prequels. That's what Enterprise was for. It was wonderful, and it was murdered years before its time. It was nice as a one-off origin story idea. Star Trek is about pushing FORWARD. CBS should hire me. I'd set the show 15-30 years after 'Nemesis' so we could bring back the occasional guest stars(although I love the Captain Worf idea personally), but at the very least it should be set a bit after the most recent events we saw in ST. That ship is also SOOO ugly. Putting aside the awful, amateurish animation.... it's just a really bad ship design. I've never seen a Star Trek TV show that had a ship that I thought "wow, that's ugly".... until I saw that so-called teaser trailer.

Fuller also clearly has an agenda and has made it very clear he plans to go out of his way to cast characters based on race, or sexual preferences. Every Star Trek has been diverse when it comes to gender and race. This is not something new. We don't need someone to say "Oh, we need a black, female Captain". We already had a black Captain, and a female Captain. They were both wonderful. It's not going backwards to choose someone based on something other than trying to be super PC. You could always pick Captain Worf anyway.

I'll still watch the show(at least the premiere), but from what I know about the guy in charge of all this, and whatever information is available.... this will be inferior to the prior series, which were all great in their own way.

 

[Jinn]

Yeah. They never go on dangerous away missions, or have serious threats to the ship.

Except when they do. The Star Trek universe has rarely depicted specifically women incapable of task that men managed to do.