Star Trek Discovery
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People are pickier when they're unveiling a new Enterprise design. There's a lot more tolerance for oddball designs as long as it's not the Enterprise. That's why the NX-01 refit idea added in more iconic Enterprise details, to try to bring it more in-line with expectations.
Have been having a quick play in sketch up, increase the saucer size 15%, double the width of the neck, double the size of the deflector and move it further forward (so that it is situated under the black ring of the saucer) and it almost looks like something which isn't a horrific assault on the eyes. Still looks rough, just less bad.
Happy camper, here. I could not be more pleased! Not a hater of the rebooted films, per se, but after more than a decade a return to the Prime continuity is most welcome.
No freaking thanks. The Discovery looks far better than either of those, more interesting and less derivative of other ships seen before. I've always liked McQuarrie's Planet Of The Titans designs, and I like this updated take on them.There are literally HUNDREDS of concept ships that look better than that monstrosity, for the sake of all that is good just and holy in this world, spare us that hideous hulk.
If they wanted a science/discovery type cruiser, they should have gone with a modified reconnaissance class
Or something like this with the pod stripped off the top would look a thousand times better:
Does NO one working at CBS care about beauty in the world anymore ?!?!??!??!??!??
Utter nonsense. Space is huge. What do you mean it should all be known to us? How many TOS species and locations were seen or mentioned again in TNG and other later-set shows? Not many. What the heck are you on about?
Oh lordy, people. ENT was a disaster because it didn't keep close enough to the canon; ENT was a disaster because it tried too desperately to keep to the canon...do make up your mind.
With a bit of a different color, it's actually not that bad anymore:
Trek ship designs have had one thing in common throughout the decades. Aside from nacelle struts, they avoid straight lines. The secondary-hulls are always more boat-like. And this gives them that Horatio Hornblower in space vibe to them. Having a secondary hull with straight lines like this breaks that motif in a big way. Changing the color doesn't help that. Also, the main dish in the front is too small. (The Sovereign's was also too small.)
You know....
Except for TOS, all all the hero-ships in all the other shows are always brandspanking new. Even in todays navy, there are ships that are decades old. The US Navy has a ship that was commissioned in 1970. So sure, the show could be set in 2295, but the ship launched 2260. Nothing wrong with that.
Except for TOS, all all the hero-ships in all the other shows are always brandspanking new. Even in todays navy, there are ships that are decades old. The US Navy has a ship that was commissioned in 1970. So sure, the show could be set in 2295, but the ship launched 2260. Nothing wrong with that.
With a bit of a different color, it's actually not that bad anymore:
... the ship is completly off balance. Emphasize the saucer and it is more acceptable:
Yes, because there are always rigidly acceptable rules for futuristic, fictional technology, otherwise it just won't work!! Must have our narrow preconceptions met.
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... the ship is completly off balance. Emphasize the saucer and it is more acceptable:
What, you honestly expected Trekkies to accept change?
For me, everything is just underwhelming so far. We've got a ship design that no one liked from decades ago, a name that sounds like a fan film, and it looks like it's going to be another prequel. Is this really the best such a creative team can come up with?
We only have a name and a ship..... Do you know anything about plot and characters that we don't? If you do, please share! If you don't, perhaps don't comment on what they are capable of untill we actually know more.
Roddenberry didn't dislike the design, he just thought it was too different from the original (only 7-8 yrs before at the time).
Discovery is a terrific name:
We don't know it's a prequel. It's possible they are covering different time periods, because Fuller did not want to specify the time period. That probably means that has something to do with the plot.
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I like the design, always thought the MacQuarrie-design looked interesting. For me it looks definately better than the JJ-Prise. Never had a soft spot for that ship. But that is just a subjective oppinion. Also I can not see why the name of the series would sound like that of a fan production. Are "ST Into Darkness", "ST Beyond" or "ST First Contact" that much better?
First, we don't know anything about the ship or why they picked that design. There's a lot we still don't know that could make a lot of sense on why it's that design.
Secondly, there's no name that wouldn't have sounded like a fan film considering so many have been made with different names. Discovery sounds a lot better than most and goes back to the franchise's core which is exploration and discovery. I love it.
Thirdly, we don't know that yet. It could just as easily be an old ship taken from the scrap heap brought back post-NEM for whatever reason.
Of course you can devalue individuals with a different opinion, but it doesnt show you are right, it just shows you have a bad character.
Well, I'll chime in my .02 just for the fun of it.
1. Not a fan of the design. In fact, I think I actually hate it. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that.
2. I'm hoping this is a test/tease by the production team to gauge the reaction. That being said, the ship could be anything- the MacGuffin, a historical throwback, a minor plot point, or even...wait for it...nothing more than a tease to get us talking, which we most decidedly are.
3. The implication about the movie-era timeline is disturbing. I can't conceive why the production team would want to creatively hobble themselves with another mid-stream almost-prequel. I you move the new show to the 25th Century you can go where nobody has gone before, without any constraints are having to walk on egg-shells around the canon.
Anyway. Guess We'll find out soon enough.
1. Not a fan of the design. In fact, I think I actually hate it. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that.
2. I'm hoping this is a test/tease by the production team to gauge the reaction. That being said, the ship could be anything- the MacGuffin, a historical throwback, a minor plot point, or even...wait for it...nothing more than a tease to get us talking, which we most decidedly are.
3. The implication about the movie-era timeline is disturbing. I can't conceive why the production team would want to creatively hobble themselves with another mid-stream almost-prequel. I you move the new show to the 25th Century you can go where nobody has gone before, without any constraints are having to walk on egg-shells around the canon.
Anyway. Guess We'll find out soon enough.
Well, at least now I can see why they had such a fit over Axanar. They don't like looking bad compared to a fan film! LOL!
It might also be a clue about the time frame, maybe?
Anyway, if this is really a post-TNG show like Fuller suggests, then why did they pull a century old ship out of mothballs? I guess we'll find out, but it's perplexing.
It might also be a clue about the time frame, maybe?
Anyway, if this is really a post-TNG show like Fuller suggests, then why did they pull a century old ship out of mothballs? I guess we'll find out, but it's perplexing.
I'm not at all convinced that the ship is a centuries old design. I think that the combo of Discovery's industrial look and the fact that it was based on the (in RL) decades old unused Phase 2 design has jaded many people into assuming that the ship must be old or set in or around a TOS timeline... I just don't think so.
I'm leaning towards the ship being a new ship design in a post-Nemesis period. I'm thinking that the design is not industrial, but rather post-industrial, and that whatever "hard times" may have befallen the Federation (hinted at by the split emblem) that their current sensibilities (quite possibly in conjunction with Klingon design sensibilities) have radically shifted from the elegant, excessive design (of say Enterprise-D) to a more industrio-utilitarian, "cost-effecient" and desperate design philosophy...
I'm leaning towards the ship being a new ship design in a post-Nemesis period. I'm thinking that the design is not industrial, but rather post-industrial, and that whatever "hard times" may have befallen the Federation (hinted at by the split emblem) that their current sensibilities (quite possibly in conjunction with Klingon design sensibilities) have radically shifted from the elegant, excessive design (of say Enterprise-D) to a more industrio-utilitarian, "cost-effecient" and desperate design philosophy...
It's sad to see such overwhelmingly negative reactions when I think they pulled off a neat trick...give us something different and old-school at the same time.
Not at all an improvement to my eye. The larger saucer throws it off-balance, like it wants to tip forward if gravity were an issue. (A common complaint about the Ent-D.)
And they blow up real good.
This. I'm glad that this is a departure from the late-TNG-era design aesthetic that they even felt the need to use in a pre-TOS prequel series.
... the ship is completly off balance. Emphasize the saucer and it is more acceptable:
Not at all an improvement to my eye. The larger saucer throws it off-balance, like it wants to tip forward if gravity were an issue. (A common complaint about the Ent-D.)
