Space Seed with refurbished 11 footer (VIDEO)
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There's a thought: TOS-R with the refurbished Enterprise.
Excellent work, Spockboy, as always. You had quite a number of different light sources to account for. In the original opticals, the lighting was typically diffused, no doubt to keep blue spill under control. But then, far from any local sun, the lighting would be very diffuse. The VFX artists for Disney's The Black Hole gave us one rendering.
Excellent work, Spockboy, as always. You had quite a number of different light sources to account for. In the original opticals, the lighting was typically diffused, no doubt to keep blue spill under control. But then, far from any local sun, the lighting would be very diffuse. The VFX artists for Disney's The Black Hole gave us one rendering.
This proves that when I said in another thread that the restored model looks better than it did on TV, I wasn't exaggerating.
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It is the original model. There were all kinds of colors in there inititally that were washed out because of film speeds, bright lights, and the optical printing process.
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spockboy, once again, you deliver something brilliant! Thank you, and if anyone had any doubts, the physical model always surpasses any CG creation!
Beautiful. That's great work there. See that's what should have been done for the remastered. Put the original model in there and re film it matching everything shot for shot.
My only nitpicks are minor things that you have no control over like lighting and the angle being slightly above the saucer rather than below.
One question. In the original the starboard nacelle appears much larger than in your shot. However the rest of the ship seems to match very closely. Is that because a different focal length or something was used on the original?
EDIT: Speaking of lighting I realized just recently that one of the things that makes the orginal look good to me is it has the studio reflecting of various surfaces of the ship. Cgi renders of the ship only reflect what is in the scene(mostly just black space). That's one think I like about your shots are there are reflections of the stuff around the physical model that aren't there in the shot. Even though it seems really strange that's something that helps sell the shots for me. It took me forever to realize that this is what seemed "off" about so many excellent cgi renders.
My only nitpicks are minor things that you have no control over like lighting and the angle being slightly above the saucer rather than below.
One question. In the original the starboard nacelle appears much larger than in your shot. However the rest of the ship seems to match very closely. Is that because a different focal length or something was used on the original?
EDIT: Speaking of lighting I realized just recently that one of the things that makes the orginal look good to me is it has the studio reflecting of various surfaces of the ship. Cgi renders of the ship only reflect what is in the scene(mostly just black space). That's one think I like about your shots are there are reflections of the stuff around the physical model that aren't there in the shot. Even though it seems really strange that's something that helps sell the shots for me. It took me forever to realize that this is what seemed "off" about so many excellent cgi renders.
How do you determine that?
Lenses would be a matter of research. I'm sure someone has it written down somewhere what type of lenses and cameras were used by the Howard Anderson company back in 66. Once you had that as a starting point, you could easily experiment by superimposing the shot (as I did) until you found the correct focal length. I'm sure they used pretty standard lenses as it was made for television. Once the lenses and focal lengths are determined you would simply use a Redcam and reshoot the sequences. And because compositing, and digital film is much more advanced than it was the 1960's, more realistic lighting could be employed instead of the 7 suns approach necessary back then to wash out the blue-screen spill on the ship.
http://cybercollege.com/tvp010.htm
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Doug Drexler would probably know. He did something with STC's cgi Enterprise to make it look like it was filmed the same way as the original. Or something like that. :/Lenses would be a matter of research. I'm sure someone has it written down somewhere what type of lenses and cameras were used by the Howard Anderson company back in 66. Once you had that as a starting point, you could easily experiment by superimposing the shot (as I did) until you found the correct focal length. I'm sure they used pretty standard lenses as it was made for television.
He sized his CGI model to 11 feet and created a virtual camera which duplicated the camera and lens used in the original filming. For extra realism he kept the camera/model movement limited to what the original rig would allow.
There is a video out there somewhere where he describes what he did step by step.
That's actually very impressive that someone took the time to do that.
However I read that Pierre Drolet actually created the CG model used in Star Trek Continues.
http://www.pierre-drolet-sci-fi-museum.com/starship
Both Doug and Pierre are extremely talented guys, but sometimes (particularly with Star Trek TOS) models just look better.
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There is a reflective quality that physical objects can often have than cgi objects can often lack that helps the eye accept an object as genuinely three-dimensional. But it can be mimicked with good cgi.
Truth is that TOS original ship exterior shots are not as clean and crisp as they could have been.
Truth is that TOS original ship exterior shots are not as clean and crisp as they could have been.
Yes, that's what I remembered. Thanks.
One very minor nitpick: The corporate entity known as CBS Paramount didn't exist in 1966. Trek TOS was originally copyrighted by Desilu Productions, shared a joint Paramount Television - Desilu copyright in the latter half of the second season, and went under the Paramount Television logo and copyright in the third season.
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