What is THE Worst continuity error in Trek history..?!
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What gets me with Flashback is a interview with Tim Russ on the voyager DVD saying that fans could not say there were any continuity issues with that episode. Why didn't Valtane's actor recall that he was not killed in the original film, star trek is not just 'any film' so I am sure it would stick out in the memory of most people.
But the virus could only have been transferred to Tuvok upon Valtane's death. Granted, that's not how viruses work, but this is Trek and more importantly Voyager logic. Remember the next evolution for humans is to become salamanders with reduced intelligence, mobility and survival skills. X(
It's remarkable that Braga couldn't keep the details of TUC straight, when he was writing Flashback. It's like he made up his own rules to fit the story.
No, other names with apostrophes don't work, T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Rul, Teal'c all get flagged.
Most of Valtane's scenes are in the opening scene anyway. Actually, all of them are aside from appearing in the group shot of Excelsior's bridge crew at the end. Keeping in mind Flashback was filmed five years after TUC, maybe the actor really did forget about being in the background in the end of the movie?
I just customize my spellcheck dictionary to cover words/names which are not common but I know are spelled correctly in my posts and eMail.
I don't see why they didn't have a different character than Valtane appear in Flashback and get killed- that would have been simple to do and avoided any continuity issues.
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I don't see why they didn't have a different character than Valtane appear in Flashback and get killed- that would have been simple to do and avoided any continuity issues.
(added Valtane to my dictionary with this oost)
I'll admit, Flashback did do a pretty good job reassembling the Excelsior's crew from TUC, I'll give them points for that, even if they screwed up by killing Valtane.
Although, related to the whole matter, one thing I never liked about Flashback is how irresponsible it makes Sulu look. We find out later on, when Janeway looks up his logs about the matter that he covers the whole thing up by saying the ship is undergoing "routine maintenance." So he violated orders, crossed into enemy territory, got into a firefight with a few other ships, which resulted in the death of one of his bridge officers, and then sweeps the whole thing aside? Since his actions resulted in someone under his command getting killed, he damn well should be taking full responsibility and admitting his actions in his official log. He owes nothing less than that to Valtane.
This combined with some of the questionable command decisions Janeway made throughout Voyager and later Archer made throughout Enterprise convince me that Braga just doesn't know how to write captains other than making them "the boss."
I do give the episode points for creepy when Sulu suddenly confronts Janeway who should not be visible to him at all.
If you were the actor in question, would you say anything that might get your part cut? (Same situation for Koenig and TWoK.)
Well since they were bringing the band back together anyway it is unlikely that his part would be cut.
Well, Koenig's part wouldn't get cut, but might get drastically reduced. As for the Valtane actor, his part might have gotten cut if he'd pointed out that the character was still alive at the end of TUC.
He could still do his thing on the Bridge, they would just need to have a different actor die next to Tuvok- it would not even need to be a speaking part.
But, the person who died would need to have some significance to Tuvok, and therefore they would become Tuvok's roommate and that's an entire scene written for Valtane which would have gone to someone else.
The difficulty with deating with a fictional culture is just that, it can be whatever you want it to mean especially since there are few examples in the show. Spock no more represents all of Vulcan with his attitude to emotions and sexual matters anymore than Bones represents all Terrans. Spock was raised to be more Vulcan than Vulcan being the son of Sarek. Showing emotions in his culture is taboo and he took his culture seriously. Yet I doubt Vulcan sex between consenting bondmates is as clinical as you seem to want it to be, my only proof unless Amanda was a frigid masochist she ain't waiting no seven years for sex. As for not being able to 'love Christine', he also agonised that he never told his mother he loved her, you telling me Spock had some biological gene making him incapable of love or any other emotion? Did the Romulans breed out this gene from their race?
P.S STNG episode 'Sarek', Vulcans are more than capable of their version of love and their wives know it. Re 1. Picard being the sinkhole for Sarek's emotions 2. the scene between Picard and Perrin
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^ That's a very good point about Spock - he has a rather conservative view of what it means to be Vulcan, because he's spent his whole life denying his human half and overcompensating by being "more Vulcan than Vulcans". So his attitude is not likely to be representative of all his people.
The same thing applies to Worf: He is a Klingon raised by humans, so he naturally tries to be "extra-Klingon". That's why he often seems to lack a sense of humor, because he's just trying too hard - just look at other Klingons such as Kurn and Martok, who were much more at ease than Worf ever was.
The same thing applies to Worf: He is a Klingon raised by humans, so he naturally tries to be "extra-Klingon". That's why he often seems to lack a sense of humor, because he's just trying too hard - just look at other Klingons such as Kurn and Martok, who were much more at ease than Worf ever was.
Just because ST is a big deal for us doesn't mean that it was necessarily a big deal for the actor. For him it might have just been another job.
How do you know that he even watched the movie and knew that that scene was at the end? As he was essentially an extra in that scene, I doubt he would have seen the full script. And how well do you remember the details of a random workday you had five years ago?
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Yes. According to imdb.com, Jeremy Roberts had about twenty or so other acting jobs in between STVI and "Flashback" (including a Jem'Hadar on DS9). This was just another job to him. Even Ricardo Montalban didn't really remember the part of Khan (which would become iconic to fans) when it came time to work on TWOK, since it was just one among many acting jobs that he had done over the years.
And even if Roberts did happen remember that the character was alive at the end of STVI, his job wasn't to write or edit the script.
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And even if Roberts did happen remember that the character was alive at the end of STVI, his job wasn't to write or edit the script.
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That's kind of the point I was making, all his scenes were in the opening of the movie, aside from one scene where he stood in the background at the end, which could have easily slipped his mind five years later.
It's what Jim Kirk would have done. Sulu was just following his role model's example.
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