Spoilers Beyond Enterprise vs Into Darkness Enterprise

[ricardocube]

There is mounting evidence that the Beyond Enterprise has received numerous modifications since the last film. This thread aims to catalogue these changes and offer up ideas to why the ship has changed, from design aesthetic arguments to in-universe explanations.

List of assumed modifications:

-Smaller nacelles (same design but approx. 30% smaller)
-Swept back nacelle struts / pylons
-Recessed bussard collectors
-Altered angle of vent under bussard collectors
-Thinner / slimmer and longer neck
-More detailing / ridging on T-shapes to rear of saucer
-Additional windows to edge of saucer
-Nacelles closer together (why?)
-Additional saucer phaser turrets in different configuration (increased from 3 to 6 top and bottom)

 

[BillJ]

It was a year between Kirk dying and his final speech in Into Darkness. I imagine they fudge it and the refit was much more extensive than just the change to the impulse engines.

 

[STEPhon IT]

The film is not out yet.

 

[BillJ]

The film is not out yet.

Doesn't stop us from spitballing.

 

[ricardocube]

And this is the best view yet of the Beyond Enterprise which is actually the ILM model.

 

[BillJ]

The one thing I notice about the Abrams Enterprise is the lack of a vertical intermix chamber. They really paid attention to TOS when they designed it.

 

[ricardocube]

I love the schematic but I wish the'd have shown the connection between the warp core and the nacelles.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Why could this be posted in the thread already made???

http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/new-...meter-official-size-of-the-enterprise.281559/

 

[ricardocube]

Why could this be posted in the thread already made???

http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/new-...meter-official-size-of-the-enterprise.281559/

I'm not asking about the size. I'm asking about the modifications.

 

[publiusr]

Now, we only saw this refit briefly and from above and behind--so the nacelle supports weren't all that visible.

 

[elric428]

Not the first cutaway of the NuTrek Enterprise I've seen. Check out http://www.michaelwileyart.com/portfolio/newenterprisecutaway.htm

 

[ricardocube]

I estimate the nacelles are about 20% smaller overall.

The bussards look more recessed too, with altered "vent" under the bussard.

Also see added windows in the saucer.

 

[F. King Daniel]

While I'll wait until I've seen the movie to make judgement, I'm not sold on what I've sen thus far on the swept-back nacelle struts and smaller nacelles. I was quite fond of the "ample nacelles" of the ST'09/ID Enterprise.

 

[ricardocube]

While I'll wait until I've seen the movie to make judgement, I'm not sold on what I've sen thus far on the swept-back nacelle struts and smaller nacelles. I was quite fond of the "ample nacelles" of the ST'09/ID Enterprise.

I must admit, I had gotten used to the large nacelles too. They grew on me, so to speak.

 

[shapeshifter]

^ Yeah - like man-boobs at a lard eating contest.

The swept pylons and shrunken nacelles are aesthetic improvements but gets over shadowed by putting the engines even closer. How people think that is beautiful design is a mystery to me.

The previous view of this ship in an onsceen graphic is still my favorite view of it.

 

[Firebird]

Why could this be posted in the thread already made???

Why do you feel a need to backseat mod these threads?

Back to the topic at hand, I'm loving the modifications to the Enterprise. Giving the nacelle pylons the backswept design declutters the ship's profile, and it looks damn good in that cutaway view.

 

[M'Sharak]

Why could[n't] this be posted in the thread already made???

http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/new-...meter-official-size-of-the-enterprise.281559/

For one: the linked thread has now been merged with the official Starship Size Argument™ thread, which is where all starship size discussions properly belong (in order to avoid a recurring problem we were experiencing with starship size arguments breaking out in every other thread in the forum.)

Two: as has already been pointed out upthread, this is not a discussion about starship size, which would make it inappropriate for inclusion in the thread you linked.

 

[ricardocube]

If you look on the damage on the first pic from into darkness - The impulse deck is smashed but the nacelle struts only have minimal damage. Not enough reason to replace them. The deflector is smashed but that has stayed the same.

I still wonder if these changes won't be acknowledged I.e it was always supposed to look that way. I hope they acknowledge this as a refit.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I'm not asking about the size. I'm asking about the modifications.

Too easy?

 

[Kemaiku]

While I'll wait until I've seen the movie to make judgement, I'm not sold on what I've sen thus far on the swept-back nacelle struts and smaller nacelles. I was quite fond of the "ample nacelles" of the ST'09/ID Enterprise.

Seriously though, I like sweeping back the supports, but slimming the nacelles down doen't look right, they worked better because they were the size they were. Hmm, It might look better in the movie itself.