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McCoy never has lots of lines but always makes an impact in movies.


I'm greatly looking forward to Three Body Problem

eyeresist said:
The only new movies I am looking forward to this year are Star Trek Beyond and Suicide Squad.


The problem is these two paragraphs are unrelated. I don't think anyone thought the prominence or otherwise of McCoy was one of STID's crucial issues. Not compared to NuKhan, "KHAN!" and Angry Spock.

Looking at the transcripts, McCoy had 78 lines in ST09, and a mere 63 in STID. That's 15 whole lines that were stolen from him! Never mind that he featured in the opening action sequence, the Khan interrogation scene, and the bomb disposal scene, and (thanks to his ingenuity) was THE GUY WHO SAVED KIRK'S LIFE at the end of the movie.

In the original TOS movies, McCoy's number of lines per film were: 42, 54, 38, 68, 82, 59.
This validates my assertion that McCoy was no more underused in STID than in the original movies.
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Malaika said:
That sounds like one of those 'real trek fan(TM) vs not real trek fans who like the reboot' argument.

The fans of the reboot are both old trek fans and new ones. I really don't see any logic in ignoring the fans who are, actually, the real audience of these movies that made them successful, in order to pander to an audience that is wanking about these movies since 2009, and ruining the party for people on the internet that 'dare' to like this trek.
50th anniversary or not, I think, if anything, all the fans deserve respect and consideration and the reboot owes nothing to tos purists who will never like or accept the reboot, regardless.
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Interesting you claim that I was dredging up the old vs. new argument, and yet you take quite a few potshots in your post. For the record, I like the JJ-Trek films, and I've been a fan for almost 25 years. It's possible to like both, and not take a dump on anyone that prefers one over the other. Why isn't the "real" audience making these movies successful a combination of everyone - non-Trek fans and pre-existing Trek fans - and not just your hallowed group of newbies that seem to deserve all of the attention? Methinks you might want to examine your views before you decry the TOS purists (of which, I am not).

That is my last comment on the matter.
 
Firebird said:
Interesting you claim that I was dredging up the old vs. new argument, and yet you take quite a few potshots in your post. For the record, I like the JJ-Trek films, and I've been a fan for almost 25 years. It's possible to like both, and not take a dump on anyone that prefers one over the other. Why isn't the "real" audience making these movies successful a combination of everyone - non-Trek fans and pre-existing Trek fans - and not just your hallowed group of newbies that seem to deserve all of the attention? Methinks you might want to examine your views before you decry the TOS purists (of which, I am not).

That is my last comment on the matter.
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excuse me? It seems to me that I explicitly stated that: "The fans of the reboot are both old trek fans and new ones", and that those are the ones who made the reboot successful (which is written even in the part of my comment that YOU quoted from me) yet you are claiming I said the opposite?? How that even works?
way to miss the point since the people I was claiming that it seems like the movie is pandering to is REBOOT HATERS (that like I clearly stated, is the people who don't like these movies regardless) not the fans that, as I myself stated before you need to remind me that, are both new and old fans.

Methinks you might want to examine your reading comprehension before replying to people with straw men arguments where you completely miss the point of what they are saying.

eta: and for the record, *I'm* one of those old fans TOO!!! You really don't need to use this argument with me when it's years I'm making it myself when talking to reboot haters who believe only 'newbies' like these movies.
eta2: and to make it further clear if that is the source of your confusion (next time I'll add the subtitles maybe) the so called 'tos purists' I refer to is NOT the reboot fans who were pre-existing trek fans. I'm specifically talking about people who are hating on these movies since 2009 and that, judging from their arguments, will never ever like any reboot regardless what the writers do. It also is the people who hate the reboot movies for not being a carbon copy of tos, but on the flip side they will hate on it for the similarities or homages claiming that the writers are not original and they copy the old thing (e.g., some of the criticism stid got). The source of my frustration and the point you missed? It's my concern that the new team might be too focused on trying to hopelessly 'win' these people, while the ones (like I said, both old and new fans) who like these movies (many of which precisely because it's not the same exact thing the old thing was) will get the short end of the stick.
 
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gosh can't we all get along. I'm one of the OLD fans of the original show. And I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the reboot universe. I still love watching TOS on METV and online episodes. They are classics and I love the friendship and banter between Kirk/Spock and McCoy. I treasure every moment from the show.
And I love the original movies too. I am going to see TWOK in the IMAX theater at the Air and Space museum in DC. I never saw the movie on a screen that big. The first two reboot movies are showing there (the first one was yesterday and the second reboot is going to be showing there next Sun) too.
I think there are different strokes for different folks. Just as much as there are different ST fans, Some like TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise. And there are some fans, from the old series and new Trek fans, who LOVE the reboot. I am looking forward to "Beyond" but I will admit that I am not as 'thrilled' as I was when I saw the first set of movies with the original cast. For me those times were special to me and will always be GREAT memories.
 
Malaika said:
excuse me? It seems to me that I explicitly stated that: "The fans of the reboot are both old trek fans and new ones", and that those are the ones who made the reboot successful (which is written even in the part of my comment that YOU quoted from me) yet you are claiming I said the opposite?? How that even works?
way to miss the point since the people I was claiming that it seems like the movie is pandering to is REBOOT HATERS (that like I clearly stated, is the people who don't like these movies regardless) not the fans that, as I myself stated before you need to remind me that, are both new and old fans.

Methinks you might want to examine your reading comprehension before replying to people with straw men arguments where you completely miss the point of what they are saying.

eta: and for the record, *I'm* one of those old fans TOO!!! You really don't need to use this argument with me when it's years I'm making it myself when talking to reboot haters who believe only 'newbies' like these movies.
eta2: and to make it further clear if that is the source of your confusion (next time I'll add the subtitles maybe) the so called 'tos purists' I refer to is NOT the reboot fans who were pre-existing trek fans. I'm specifically talking about people who are hating on these movies since 2009 and that, judging from their arguments, will never ever like any reboot regardless what the writers do. It also is the people who hate the reboot movies for not being a carbon copy of tos, but on the flip side they will hate on it for the similarities or homages claiming that the writers are not original and they copy the old thing (e.g., some of the criticism stid got). The source of my frustration and the point you missed? It's my concern that the new team might be too focused on trying to hopelessly 'win' these people, while the ones (like I said, both old and new fans) who like these movies (many of which precisely because it's not the same exact thing the old thing was) will get the short end of the stick.
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I don't understand what the argument is about. what are you scared of that was changed in the new trek to fit old trek?

nutrek is already well established with its own continuity and cannon reality. I doubt the new writers did any drastic change in the film just for the film to be like TOS.
 
Dales said:
I don't understand what the argument is about.
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Then perhaps you ought not to be posting in the middle of it.

Dales said:
what are you scared of that was changed in the new trek to fit old trek?
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And what you absolutely ought to avoid is making things inappropriately personal by asking questions such as the above. I've asked you on more than one occasion before not to do that. Why is this such a hard thing for you to do?
 
I am looking forward to seeing how Idris Elba is able to be menacing and evil whilst only being able to express emotion with his body and his voice.
 
Jedi_Master said:
I am looking forward to seeing how Idris Elba is able to be menacing and evil whilst only being able to express emotion with his body and his voice.
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The same here but the bar is low for me when it comes to great actors in heavy make up and costume. oscar issac is a great actor but the apocalypse look wore him down, the same could happen for elba. I really wished Oscar issac could have just stayed in his human form as Apocalypse.

Idris elba is such a charismatic actor so I really wished he had played the villain without any make up or costume.
 
Dales said:
The same here but the bar is low for me when it comes to great actors in heavy make up and costume. oscar issac is a great actor but the apocalypse look wore him down, the same could happen for elba. I really wished Oscar issac could have just stayed in his human form as Apocalypse.

Idris elba is such a charismatic actor so I really wished he had played the villain without any make up or costume.
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After watching him in a few shows (such as Luther) he is able to leverage his physical size in various dramatic ways.
 
JWPlatt said:
The average human gets 2.21 billion heartbeats in a lifetime. Let's say each movie is roughly two hours. At a resting pace of 60 bpm for a healthy person (although not necessarily true for Trekkie couch potatoes), that's 86,400 spent watching things we might already have seen 10 times. Looking at it that way, is a binge watch really worth giving a slice of our life?
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Right, because why in God's name would Star Trek fans ever watch to re-watch any or all of the movies? These things should be watched once, once only and then destroyed. Good God, what was I thinking??

:rolleyes:
 
Flux Capacitor said:
Right, because why in God's name would Star Trek fans ever watch to re-watch any or all of the movies? These things should be watched once, once only and then destroyed. Good God, what was I thinking??

:rolleyes:
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Hey. HEY! HEY, NOW!!! Only the odd numbered ones get destroyed. C'mon, man!:scream::lol:
 
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