They're not politicians making life changing or life threatening decisions for millions of people, they're actors and staff in a fictional movie and TV franchise. Why are you holding them to similar standards of consistency? Your expectations for their behavior and insults towards them are unfair and unreasonable.
who is insulting here? If they publicity say something, it's only natural that people will comment and that's what I did. The fact I have a less positive perception than you doesn't mean I'm insulting them.
You say I hold them to unreasonable standards but I do not. It's precisely because they are human beings that they are not infallible and perfect and this means, you know, they might be contradictory and hypocritical TOO. You seem to be the one who holds them to higher standards and thus insists that everything gonna be perfect and there must be reasons to use to justify him at any cost, as if there is no chance he could simply be contradictory like people can be sometimes.
The thing remains, though, that I read someone who firstly said A and then said B at convenient time and I didn't like it and it came across as incoherent and hypocritical to me. But I don't pretend to be Freud here..
That said, Karl is surely not the worst here. Pegg is much worse because he literally attacked the fans who didn't like stid but now that he is in the writing team he is like 'well, I agree with them I had issues with stid' like you gotta be kidding me. (And I disagree with the haters!)
Despite working on Star Wars, JJ Abrams is still very much "in power" there as EP on the film and owner of Bad Robot, and Orci, while not around, is still listed as producer and is friends/collaborators with Abrams. You keep acting as if they got exiled to The Phantom Zone and can't say something if they think Urban is speaking out of turn.
Orci is out. He said it. He is a producer only in name and he is giving away his trek books and stuff. He's done with trek as a writer and had no input in this movie. And JJ already admitted himself that the movie had problems (he is way too hard on himself if you ask me), something I bet Urban was able to be aware of. So brave Karl wasn't taking any risk to make enemies here^, lol
Obviously Urban didn't think his (frankly quite mild) comments would get him in any hot water with them, and I think you're blowing what he said completely out of proportion.
Have you ever read Tumblr?
I made one comment here, I'm not spamming the whole internet with rants about what Urban said and trying to damage his image or something like that. Good grief guys!
I don't know... maybe it's because it's the 50th anniversary of the franchise, and a lot of old Trek fans, on screen and off, are excited to celebrate it?
That sounds like one of those 'real trek fan(TM) vs not real trek fans who like the reboot' argument.
The fans of the reboot are both old trek fans and new ones. I really don't see any logic in ignoring the fans who are, actually, the real audience of these movies that made them successful, in order to pander to an audience that is wanking about these movies since 2009, and ruining the party for people on the internet that 'dare' to like this trek.
50th anniversary or not, I think, if anything, all the fans deserve respect and consideration and the reboot owes nothing to tos purists who will never like or accept the reboot, regardless.
Some people deem Urban as the one cast member who "gets it" but to me, he is the one who is the most disconnected from the purpose the reboot had (originally at least) and this in part could be the source of his disappointment, not to mention the source of some trek fans' ongoing whining about the reboot since 2009.
Like this obsession for the original trio: there is not such a thing. In the reboot these characters don't have those 'roles' fans ostensibly want to give to them *even here* . It makes no sense with their character development. None. Spock and Mccoy are never, in the reboot, merely the devil and angel at Kirk's side. Mostly because, anyway, Spock himself had his role 'upgraded' and he is not just the friend he is a protagonist himself. And Kirk, again, is more the Mccoy than how original Kirk was in the 'trio' .
Frankly, Urban might do an impersonation of original Mccoy but Quinto is NOT doing that.
But then, if I gotta pretend the first movies don't exist ... maybe that's where I 'fail'...
It's like what a critic said after stid: in order to please old fans who don't like the reboot, the writers keep alienating those old and new trek fans that are here for the reboot and made the first movie successful. And they were right because I do feel alienated and as if this team doesn't care about people like me who like these movies.
But I knew that the 50th anniversary would be a hindrance more than anything, just like I know that hiring trek fanboys in the creative team might not be the best thing for this trek because too big is the risk of...nostalgia.
(And I do, in fact, think even JJ did better with his trek than star wars where he was a big fan of.. but I digress)
