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Spoilers X-Men: Apocalypse - Grading & Discussion
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Just meh. Just a really dull movie that capitalizes on destruction porn. Olivia Munn said she passed up Deadpool for this because she didn't want to be a girlfriend. She made a mistake, she was on screen for about five minutes as eye candy and did nothing integral to the plot. Though what few lines she had were painful to watch. So we dodged a bullet that she wasn't in Deadpool.
Just meh. Just a really dull movie that capitalizes on destruction porn. Olivia Munn said she passed up Deadpool for this because she didn't want to be a girlfriend. She made a mistake, she was on screen for about five minutes as eye candy and did nothing integral to the plot. Though what few lines she had were painful to watch. So we dodged a bullet that she wasn't in Deadpool.
She could have had a meaty part and become Copycat down the line, all in the same universe, though the Copycat bit isn't a sure thing.
I don't think it's fair to judge Olivia Munn based on a few lines. It's disappointing that her role is so small and an even smaller speaking role, which is a pity because I enjoyed her a lot on The Newsroom.
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Agreed. She got much the same treatment as Kelly Hu did in the first X-Men as Deathstrike, a notable character with a long history with Wolverine, but in the film she had almost no dialogue and was relegated to a lackey. Even the fact that she's probably an unwilling lackey because Stryker was using a control serum isn't brought up when it could have been a useful script element.
I personally don't mind the FC+ take on a more heroic Mystique, given that she's largely been in a gray area and seems conflicted over the philosophies represented by both Magneto and Xavier. I think in that case the writing has been pretty decent and I think Jennifer Lawrence has had something to work with (despite understandably not liking the unpleasant makeup experience).
I personally don't mind the FC+ take on a more heroic Mystique, given that she's largely been in a gray area and seems conflicted over the philosophies represented by both Magneto and Xavier. I think in that case the writing has been pretty decent and I think Jennifer Lawrence has had something to work with (despite understandably not liking the unpleasant makeup experience).
Not probably. I'd argue the film makes it pretty clear she was not willingly working for Stryker. Just because no one spells it out in dialogue doesn't mean it isn't used as a story element.
Yeah, the moment where she starts to wake up in confusion until Stryker notices and applies an extra dose of his mind control drug to the back of her neck was pretty obvious. It also seemed pretty clear to me that Wolverine really regretted having to fight her (and how he had to end it) because he understood she wasn't actually in control.
Not the first, the second.
We already know that Jean isn't going to meet a tragic end this time, we just don't know how. Professor Xavier is encouraging her to embrace her powers rather than deny them as he did in the first timeline. They should have shown an image of apocalypse stirring when Logan bounced in time to show that this why he's waking now although the cult could have grown up because of the more positive vibes about mutants. As it stands, everything in the movie should have happened first time round.
I do still feel that Hu could have been given more to do, and I think the same is true with Munn.
Singer says that anything is possible... anyone can die!
This might only be because Xavier thinks she can learn to control it, they don't even know it's an extraterrestrial entity that's using Jean (assuming the movie follows the comic roots).
It is one of the most memorable X-Men storylines because a central character dies (back in the day where that actually surprised and shocked readers) and the long lasting effects it had on the team and some characters. Depending on how the producers/director/writers want to go they could follow the original story but i doub't they'd want to introduce the Shi'Ar but Jean sacrificing herself to end this uncontrollable power could make for one powerful scene.
I'm not sure how much of that is hyperbole but I suppose it would be the final insult to all pretense of continuity...
Professor X was bald in X3 when he recruited Jean wasn't he? Is that because the X-men fought Apocalypse earlier in the old timeline? If so, he was defeated by some means other than death by staring!
I think making it an ET that merged with her is a good way to give them an out. At this point, they've killed her once already. I'm not sure that killing her again, 'but this time we'll make it cooler,' would really add that much. I'd far sooner see what a post-Phoenix Jean looks like.
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I know that they obviously have to keep Xavier in the wheelchair per his longstanding characterization, but did anyone else wonder why En Sabah Nur didn't heal his paralysis? If not as a safeguard against inexplicably retaining paralysis after body-transfer, then why didn't En Sabah Nur at least try to bribe Xavier with health to sway Xavier to his cause?
