Spoilers Captain America: Civil War - Grading & Discussion
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Well seeing as SHIELD counted knives surgically implanted in fingers tips as enhanced...
Key phrase: "He got out." So did Loki. Back to the drawing board.
If the helicarrier had been a few feet lower in the air, he wouldn't have.
Went again this evening, bored and I had the points on my theater card.
On the reaction of BP's ring to Bucky's arm. Could this be a reaction between Antarctician Vibranium and Wakandian Vibranium?
Otherwise, not sure why the two Vibranium objects would repel one another since Bucky's arm and Cap's Shield never repelled one another. I'm guessing the MCU would go with a different use/interpretation of Antarctician Vibranium.
On the reaction of BP's ring to Bucky's arm. Could this be a reaction between Antarctician Vibranium and Wakandian Vibranium?
Otherwise, not sure why the two Vibranium objects would repel one another since Bucky's arm and Cap's Shield never repelled one another. I'm guessing the MCU would go with a different use/interpretation of Antarctician Vibranium.
Hm...I am quite sure I recall publicity around the time of the film's release stating he was the Secretary of Defense, and that his storyline was based on one from the comics where the Red Skull somehow achieved that position. That's also what it says here, though frustratingly the source it isn't cited. In any case, it's most definitely a D.O.D. hearing that Black Widow is called before at the end of the film, so that's some evidence of oversight there. (You will no doubt point out that she just casually walked out on them, though.)
It seems logical to me that S.H.I.E.L.D. would fall under Defense purview as does the NSA. (At least within the U.S.; from the beginning they've always waffled a bit on whether it's a truly international organization or an American one with extensive international ties and liasons, and just what exactly the World Security Council is and whom they answer to. I remember the SSR was called an "Allied effort" in The First Avenger but my memory is a tad hazy on what's been specifically said about it post-War in Agent Carter and so forth, and hazier still what's been said directly about its successor.)
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Indeed, I recall the same. He was explicitly being hyped as Secretary of Defense in the run up to the movie. Though the only official title I recall him getting in the movie itself is the less specific "Mr. Secretary" which could cover any number of actual positions, let alone fictional ones.
Yeah, old SHIELD's politics were defined by in-the-moment plot necessity the same way warp drive speeds/distances do in the technological sense. Even when they were the focus of a network series, SHIELD's fundamental nature and authority structure were maddeningly vague. At least we know Coulson's current crew is an off-the-books effort sanctioned but not officially recognized by the US president.
Anyhow, apart from the fact that his office isn't in the Pentagon, Pierce offered to resign when the foreign Council members hector him - so, yeah, I'm thinking he definitely wasn't the SecDef.
That was my thought at first, but then I remembered that Bucky's arm was destroyed by Iron Man's chest beam thing. In that very same fight we saw he couldn't even put a mark on Cap's shield and in AoU it took the combined and sustained power of his suit, Mjolnir and Vision to *slightly* melt Ultron's vibranium body.
If Bucky's arm is vibranium then it some weak arsed impure alloy. Which is not beyond the realms of possibility given it's scarcity.
Which is part of what Cap was afraid of: "what if there's somewhere we need to go and they won't let us?"
Vernon Master came out of the War Department to deal with SSR Station Cheifs Sousa and Thompson and hinted at the reorganization to come with the Department of Defense and the CIA replacing the War Department and OSS. However even though the SSR had agents in Europe and was working with the Howling Commandos, who were also identified as an Army Regiment, we saw a law enforcement agency with dual responsibilities, like the NCIS of CBS on the show. Whether the US sends an ambassador or a secretary to represent us in the World Security Council will probably never be the plot of a filmed show. just a possible flashback scene or one shot.
A post 9/11 reorganization into Homeland Security is as possible as the defense department
Everyone Knew about the brainwashing?
The soviet star on his arm is because he hasn't had a new coat of paint in 30 years... Why would an American war hero, suddenly decide to work for first Stalin, and then Hydra? Um, no reason, and certainly not brainwashing, but don't blame him for all this murder because he's not brainwashed it's because um... "
The soviet star on his arm is because he hasn't had a new coat of paint in 30 years... Why would an American war hero, suddenly decide to work for first Stalin, and then Hydra? Um, no reason, and certainly not brainwashing, but don't blame him for all this murder because he's not brainwashed it's because um... "
There's also the fact that unlike Cap's shield, which is all one piece, Bucky's arm is segmented in dozens of places so that it can be articulated, and each of those gaps between the segments represents a point of vulnerability. Which is what happened in Winter Soldier when Cap jammed his shield into a gap in the arm and damaged the internal mechanisms.
It that were really what was going on then the segments themselves would be intact and only the internals holding them together would have been melted. That's not what we saw though. The whole mechanism, plates and all were all twisted, melted and glowing red hot.
Can we really say how a fictional metal will behave? Vibranium is obviously malleable enough to be made into the wire mesh of BP's suit, formed into cap's shield, and into the plates of Bucky's arm, as well as Ultron's entire body. (Was Ultron made of Vibranium in the movie? I thought he only stole it in order to have the materials to make his potential Vibranium body which ended up becoming Vision.)
So Bucky's arm could be segmented plate Vibranium and the heat and concussive forces form the explosion created by Iron Man's chest-reactor was enough to breach between segments and cause a significant enough explosion to overwhelm the thin Vibranium plate's strength, the internal components and structure of the arm also could have been made of more conventional metals given Vibranium's scarcity and, as noted, it could have been a weak alloy considering it was made by Hydra during a time they were probably struggling and the scarcity of the metal.
So Bucky's arm could be segmented plate Vibranium and the heat and concussive forces form the explosion created by Iron Man's chest-reactor was enough to breach between segments and cause a significant enough explosion to overwhelm the thin Vibranium plate's strength, the internal components and structure of the arm also could have been made of more conventional metals given Vibranium's scarcity and, as noted, it could have been a weak alloy considering it was made by Hydra during a time they were probably struggling and the scarcity of the metal.
True. It did not hold Loki or Thor. Regarding other super beings, I seriously doubt it would hold Hulk, Cap, Wanda, Vision, et al.
Thats what dropping it from the sky is for, none of them can fly.
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