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Barclay Stops the Banishment from the Garden of Eden

If you could go back in time and try to talk Eve out of eating from the forbidden fruit, would you?

  • yes

    Votes: 2 28.6%
  • no

    Votes: 5 71.4%

  • Total voters
    7
  • Poll closed .
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5billionof5billion

Lieutenant Commander
Red Shirt
I know this story would in no way be accepted as canon because if any character in Star Trek tried a stunt like this, it would have too big an impact on the Star Trek universe as we know it, but I will start a poll asking how many would do the same sort of thing if given a chance. I do hope the story gets liked enough to wind up in the Star Trek magazine so I can try to earn money as a writer.

After requesting a leave of absence, I took off into a runabout shuttle I had acquired and headed to Jem'Hadar space. After going through the worm hole, I headed toward where they were and was hailing a message asking to speak to someone as soon as I got to their solar system. I didn't have long to wait because I saw one of their ships, and I said, "This is Lieutenant Reginald Barclay requesting to someone about an escort to the homeworld of the Founders. I could find it myself because I know Starfleet has been there, but I'd rather come under peaceful circumstances please. As you can tell, this ship is no way battle ready, so I hope you'll find my intentions peaceful enough."

Someone answered the hail with a question. "What does Starfleet want with the Founders?"

"I am on a leave of absence from Starfleet right now," I said, "And I am on a mission that may result in no Starfleet or a Starfleet with nobody from Earth, which you should find to your liking, since I know you don't like us that much; and I need the assistance of two founders to help me get through a time portal known as the Guardian of Forever to come with me and help me get through since there was one of them who served on a space station known as Deep Space Nine named Odo; and the one he reported to was Benjamin Sisko. I could use this shuttle to get there, or you could allow me to dock to make the trip quicker. Technically, you could demand that I leave and use your weapons to blow me out of space if I don't; but that won't get rid of your problems because I didn't say I was resigning; and they'll come looking for me if they don't hear from me. There's a possibility that Sisko might send someone to come looking for me because I had to dock there and I told him I was thinking about visiting the founders homeworld, and he advised caution.

There was a long silent pause before I got a reply. "You're either very brave or very stupid for coming here."

"I'm anxious to get our people out of everyone's hair, and I can only do it with the help of the Founders. The Guardian will have people guarding it, and I need two shapeshifters who won't mind helping me out. I don't want anyone guarding it to be killed; and that shouldn't be necessary because I'm sure they could easily render someone unconscious without killing him or her, so I can travel over 63 hundred years into the past and back to change Earth's history."

"I don't know how you intend to get back, but you're a brave man for trying. We will gladly help you out with your mission."

"Thank you."

I felt nervous around them because they were a warrior race; but they didn't act aggressive toward me, so the trip to the Founders homeworld went peacefully.
 
What caused Barclay to go insane and start believing in the literal truth of specific bronze-age myths?

Especially since in the Star Trek canon, evolution is true and therefore there was no Adam and Eve.
 
What caused Barclay to go insane and start believing in the literal truth of bronze-age cults?

Especially since in the Star Trek canon, evolution is true and therefore there were no Adam and Eve.
Well Star Trek's full of crap for saying that evolution is true and that certain creatures evolved from other predecessors. I've heard it said that the dog is descended from a wolf, but the only way you'll ever see a wolf give birth to a litter of dogs is if the father was a dog. This story isn't intended for Star Trek canon, so here's the next installment. Was I suppose to create another character myself instead of using Barclay? Some people say there is a god who used evolution for the universe, but that's like saying Adam and Eve were apes, and we know that can't be true because apes don't have any shame about running around unclothed.

After I was shown to my quarters, I asked if anyone wanted to hear about my idea to change Earth's history so that we wouldn't be in anyone's way.

The captain who had fought Worf of the ship was summoned, and he showed up to ask me how I wanted to change Earth's past.

"I could've killed him," he said, "But he still kept wanting to fight, so I said that I couldn't defeat him and that I was no longer interested in killing him."

Worf's a pretty intimidating fighter and more powerful than a lot of Starfleet personnel including myself," I said, "but he's not the best Starfleet has to offer. There's an android named Data who has even gone up against a Borg single-handedly. The only one on your side that could pose a challenge to him would be a Founder."

"So how do you plan to change Earth's history in such a dramatic way?"

"Well according to a book known as the Bible, God put two people on our planet and warned them not to eat fruit from one tree or they would die. The female He provided for the first male was approached by someone we believe to be the devil told the first female that she would be like God if she ate it and wouldn't die, which was nothing but lies. If we were like God, you wouldn't be a threat to us. After she ate the fruit, she gave some to her husband, and their eyes were opened, and God put them out of the Garden of Eden after He put a curse on use; and I want to talk her out of eating from the tree.
 
What caused Barclay to go insane and start believing in the literal truth of specific bronze-age myths?

Especially since in the Star Trek canon, evolution is true and therefore there was no Adam and Eve.
Actually there was one book that dealt with Catholicism, so there.
 
What caused Barclay to go insane and start believing in the literal truth of specific bronze-age myths?

Especially since in the Star Trek canon, evolution is true and therefore there was no Adam and Eve.

It seemed like in Star Trek V, the themes were exploring the possibilities of a Supreme being. I was in the belief Star Trek accepted all theories including evolution, and religious myths.
 
The last time someone, whom I know loves to pull people down the rabbit hole, asked me if I believed in Evolution or Creationism, I replied "Yes." He shook his head and said, "No you have to believe in one or the other." My answer to that was, "I believe God created evolution." For once, he didn't have a snappy come-back like he usually does.
 
I, for one, am glad Trek doesn't dip into Earth religious matters. Too much misery, hatred, corruption and anguish has been caused by them. By the time of Trek we have learned to embrace our differences and have bonded together in spite of them. Which is a good thing too, because for how I live my life there are millions of "loving" religious people out there who would condemn me to an eternity of suffering, so I have little time for their imaginary friends.

The story is in need of editing (pot calling the kettle black, I know), but there are extraneous details that could be omitted (e.g. "runabout shuttle", a runabout is just a runabout), as well as some filler that upsets the flow. A few sentences run on far too long without punctuation, which might make them a little tricky to read.

As for the poll, I wouldn't change the story of Adam & Eve in the slightest. Womankind brought knowledge and understanding to humanity, far better than living in obedient ignorance.
 
Well Star Trek's full of crap for saying that evolution is true and that certain creatures evolved from other predecessors.
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The last time someone, whom I know loves to pull people down the rabbit hole, asked me if I believed in Evolution or Creationism, I replied "Yes." He shook his head and said, "No you have to believe in one or the other." My answer to that was, "I believe God created evolution." For once, he didn't have a snappy come-back like he usually does.
I do, but we're too off topic already.
 
This story isn't intended for Star Trek canon, so here's the next installment. Was I suppose to create another character myself instead of using Barclay?.

What's it supposed to be, then? Wish-fulfillment, with Barclay as a stand-in for yourself, it looks like. In which case, yeah, better to create your own character than to mutilate the personality of an existing one.
 
If the Greek Gods can be real in the Star Trek universe, then the Adam and Eve story could have some basis in fact in the Star Trek universe as well.

As for the poll, in my beliefs concerning Adam and Eve I don't believe Adam and Eve could have had posterity until after the Fall. Having said that I believe that the story of Adam and Eve is largely symbolic. It's possible for there to have been a singular male and female chosen by God to act is head of a generation, so to speak. I also believe Adam and Eve represent all men and women of humanity. The fall could also relate the development of agriculture and it's associated goods and evils.
 
What's it supposed to be, then? Wish-fulfillment, with Barclay as a stand-in for yourself, it looks like. In which case, yeah, better to create your own character than to mutilate the personality of an existing one.
Okay, fine, then from now on you can think of the character as Arnold MacKenzie.
God bless, Jason Irelan
P.S. The story is not a Q illusion, but Q does make an appearance.
 
I, for one, am glad Trek doesn't dip into Earth religious matters. Too much misery, hatred, corruption and anguish has been caused by them. By the time of Trek we have learned to embrace our differences and have bonded together in spite of them. Which is a good thing too, because for how I live my life there are millions of "loving" religious people out there who would condemn me to an eternity of suffering, so I have little time for their imaginary friends.

The story is in need of editing (pot calling the kettle black, I know), but there are extraneous details that could be omitted (e.g. "runabout shuttle", a runabout is just a runabout), as well as some filler that upsets the flow. A few sentences run on far too long without punctuation, which might make them a little tricky to read.

As for the poll, I wouldn't change the story of Adam & Eve in the slightest. Womankind brought knowledge and understanding to humanity, far better than living in obedient ignorance.

So you're happy with all the trouble that has happened as a result like the attack on the towers on 9/11? I can't imagine the characters in Star Trek would be happy with the trouble they've had with certain aliens like the Borg. They probably would've reproduced if they had been obedient.
God bless, Jason Irelan
 
So you're happy with all the trouble that has happened as a result like the attack on the towers on 9/11? I can't imagine the characters in Star Trek would be happy with the trouble they've had with certain aliens like the Borg. They probably would've reproduced if they had been obedient.
God bless, Jason Irelan
How did you get that from what I posted?

Extremists hijacked their own religion to justify their actions (examples of which can be found in most major religions). People can take what was written and twist it to their own ends, giving themselves justification to carry out horrendous acts in the name of their chose faith. At least in a species such as the Borg, where all individuality has been removed and replaced with the Collective, their actions I can better understand.
 
Well Star Trek's full of crap for saying that evolution is true and that certain creatures evolved from other predecessors. I've heard it said that the dog is descended from a wolf, but the only way you'll ever see a wolf give birth to a litter of dogs is if the father was a dog. This story isn't intended for Star Trek canon, so here's the next installment. Was I suppose to create another character myself instead of using Barclay? Some people say there is a god who used evolution for the universe, but that's like saying Adam and Eve were apes, and we know that can't be true because apes don't have any shame about running around unclothed.

After I was shown to my quarters, I asked if anyone wanted to hear about my idea to change Earth's history so that we wouldn't be in anyone's way.

The captain who had fought Worf of the ship was summoned, and he showed up to ask me how I wanted to change Earth's past.

"I could've killed him," he said, "But he still kept wanting to fight, so I said that I couldn't defeat him and that I was no longer interested in killing him."

Worf's a pretty intimidating fighter and more powerful than a lot of Starfleet personnel including myself," I said, "but he's not the best Starfleet has to offer. There's an android named Data who has even gone up against a Borg single-handedly. The only one on your side that could pose a challenge to him would be a Founder."

"So how do you plan to change Earth's history in such a dramatic way?"

"Well according to a book known as the Bible, God put two people on our planet and warned them not to eat fruit from one tree or they would die. The female He provided for the first male was approached by someone we believe to be the devil told the first female that she would be like God if she ate it and wouldn't die, which was nothing but lies. If we were like God, you wouldn't be a threat to us. After she ate the fruit, she gave some to her husband, and their eyes were opened, and God put them out of the Garden of Eden after He put a curse on use; and I want to talk her out of eating from the tree. If I can talk her out of eating from the fruit of that tree, you won't have any problems with us, which is why I'd like to go back and change things. Chances are people will never figure out how to travel through space even though we won't have much dignity."

"Why do you say you won't have much dignity?"

"Because we won't have anything on, but we'll have no shame. We won't be bother by it because we'll be sort of like lower life forms except that we'll have to give an account."

"And you want to run around with no clothes on?"

"I want what God's intended purpose was when He first put people on Earth, and I know God can send us back to the present after we fulfill the mission."

Eventually we arrived at the Founders' home world.

I was standing beside a sea of reddish orange and calling Odo's name repeatedly. After a few moments of calling him, he emerged from the sea looking annoyed; and he asked me what I wanted; and I told him how I wanted to travel over 6,300 years into the past with two shapeshifters, one male and one female through a time portal known as the Guardian of Forever to alter history in a way so that there would either be no Starfleet or a Starfleet with no one from Earth so that they wouldn't be involved in wars. I told him how I had an idea of how to get a trip back because God will be there, and we can ask Him.

"And who is this God you're talking about that can send us back?"

"Well the closest example would be Q because he's capable of sending me through time, and I hope he doesn't show up to harm me for saying this, but there was one time he was proven to have limitations, and the One who will be there in the past has no limitations, and He created the whole universe."

Suddenly there was a flash of light, and Q showed up and ask in what sounded like an angry tone but one that I was hoping wasn't too angry, "Did someone say I had limitations?"

"I didn't mean that in the sense that you had limitations against any mortal creatures from Earth or any other mortal beings on other planets. I meant that in the sense that there was a time when you showed up on the Enterprise with no powers, and I'm guessing it was because one or several members of the continuum took them from you. Now please don't do anything to harm me or prevent me from making it through the Guardian of Forever by taking away our warp capabilities or alerting some fleet of my intentions. If you want to arrange for Data to be there without him knowing about my intentions, you'll be doing him a favor since he almost got killed by those entities that were trying to harm or kill you. He was trying to help you when you had no powers; and since he's an artificial being that can't beat two shapeshifters in hand to hand combat, hopefully we'll be able to convince him to join us. With all due respect, can you please leave or make yourself invisible if you want to listen in so we won't feel you're in the way? If anyone wants from the continuum wants to try to strip God of His powers, I would advise not doing it because He did create a place called Hell where entities can spend forever."
 
How did you get that from what I posted?

Extremists hijacked their own religion to justify their actions (examples of which can be found in most major religions). People can take what was written and twist it to their own ends, giving themselves justification to carry out horrendous acts in the name of their chose faith. At least in a species such as the Borg, where all individuality has been removed and replaced with the Collective, their actions I can better understand.

Because it's a sin cursed world, and we wouldn't be having these problems if it wasn't.
God bless, Jason Irelan
 
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