CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

[Sgt_G]

Their mom recorded it on her iPad. They're covered.

 

[Jedi_Master]

IMHO, the most illuminating line of the Denial is the following:



In other words, the judge has given a clear heads-up on how he will be approaching this case. We’re not going to be arguing over nitty-gritty details of whether the Four Years War was actually shown in TOS, or whether the Axanar emblem is distinguishable from the chevron shield. The inquiry is going to be a much higher-level “does Axanar copy the big-picture copyrightable aspects of the Star Trek universe - setting, ‘look and feel’, mix of races and species, and so on.” The fact that, for example, it contains new characters and story points is not going to help much if those new characters are peaceful logical Vulcans, warlike Klingons who speak a unique language or noble captains of starships that fly the flag of the United Federation of Planets and are clearly modeled after those in the Federation fleet. This approach to framing the inquiry is a big win for the plaintiffs.

M

Agreed. The judge repeatedly mentioned that the comparison the Court was going to draw was between the Star Trek Copyrighted Works and the Axanar Works. That's a huge victory for the Plaintiffs, and for the rest of us who will not have slog through six hundred pages of expert testimony about whether or not the funny triangles on "Kharn's" costume in Prelude to Axanar are exactly the same as the funny triangle's on "General Chang's" costume in Star Trek VI.

 

[cultcross]

six hundred pages of expert testimony about whether or not the funny triangles on "Kharn's" costume in Prelude to Axanar are exactly the same as the funny triangle's on "General Chang's" costume in Star Trek VI.

And here I was awaiting a submission to the court from the Funny Triangles Society of America upholding the right to wear whatever triangular strangeness they wish.

 

[HIjol]

"The inquiry is going to be a much higher-level “does Axanar copy the big-picture copyrightable aspects of the Star Trek universe - setting, ‘look and feel’, mix of races and species, and so on.”

Is this a new "Legal Stragedy" to throw off CBS and The 'Mount?...is he going for the "We-Knew-That-Before-But-Not Now" angle???

 

[JWPlatt]

...PS hiya Axanar supporters - 'cause we know you're reading this topic - at some point maybe, just maybe, could you put your crowdfunding discretionary income towards things like, oh, I dunno -

• helping fund the search for a cure for cancer
• founding a scholarship for students in need
• supporting your local homeless shelter
• buying blankets and kibble and cat litter for your local animal shelter
• cleaning up any local polluted waterway

Far be it from me to tell you how to spend your own money - you are presumably competent adults. All I'm saying is that there are many, many worthy causes out there and while they might not come with nifty patches, they could use your heart, your soul, and your obvious passion.

Thank you for reading.

I'm not pro-Ax or con-Ax, but what a dumb, specious, retroactively hypocritical thing to say. Far be it for me to tell you how to spend your own time on this legal issue of all things. Why not spend it on, oh, I dunno - anything else like reporting on all of those more worthy issues to which you ask Axanar supporters to contribute. And, by the way, they could do both, but like you, I'd prefer all the attention elsewhere. They might not come with the same immediate rewards and attention Axanar is providing you, but I agree they certainly are much more worthy of your obvious passion.

 

[Jedi_Master]

And here I was awaiting a submission to the court from the Funny Triangles Society of America upholding the right to wear whatever triangular strangeness they wish.

The Court wouldn't accept their Amicus Brief because the State of California doesn't allow legal documents to be folded into triangles.

 

[Jedi_Master]

I'm not pro-Ax or con-Ax, but what a dumb, specious, retroactively hypocritical thing to say. Far be it for me to tell you how to spend your own time on this legal issue of all things. Why not spend it on, oh, I dunno - anything else like reporting on all of those more worthy issues to which you ask Axanar supporters to contribute. And, by the way, they could do both, but like you, I'd prefer all the attention elsewhere. They might not come with the same immediate rewards and attention Axanar is providing you, but I agree they certainly are much more worthy of your obvious passion.

Ah. I see you skipped the "passive" part of "passive - aggressive". Classy.

 

[Michael Hinman]

Nice piece!

Though I don't see the point of talking about "work for hire" in the Okrand context.

WfH doesn't affect the copyrightability of something. It affects who owns the copyright.

But that's the point that's being made. LCS is hinging a lot of what it's doing on Okrand being the creator of this language, but he doesn't own it. Just like Gene Roddenberry didn't own Star Trek. While they both might have/had influence in the later incarnations of their creation, it's still something that is owned by someone else.

One problem with your frog story --- it's too similar to the Aesop's Fable "The Shepard and the Lion", which is in the public domain. Someone might be able to challenge the validity of your copyright.

Not similar enough. The key parts of it were the disparate elements like main character being a frog, with a missized tongue, being ostracized and looking for peers who will accept him.

It's not the concept, or really even the story that someone enforcing their copyright would be looking for. But some specific elements.

I'm not pro-Ax or con-Ax, but what a dumb, specious, retroactively hypocritical thing to say. Far be it for me to tell you how to spend your own time on this legal issue of all things. Why not spend it on, oh, I dunno - anything else like reporting on all of those more worthy issues to which you ask Axanar supporters to contribute. And, by the way, they could do both, but like you, I'd prefer all the attention elsewhere. It might not come with the same immediate rewards and attention Axanar is proving you, but I agree they certainly are much more worthy.

I think you meant to describe your own post. I won't speak for @jespah, but I am quite sure that she was saying that donating to some worthy causes would be much better than donating to this worthless cause.

And yes, it's assuming hindsight is 20/20, and many people — even informed people — might not have believed there to be any problems. But I'm betting that she's targeting more those who, despite the lawsuit and the losses in court so far, that maybe some of these people who continue to support Axanar blindly might want to consider other causes that could really use their attention and energy more.

 

[HIjol]

Agreed. The judge repeatedly mentioned that the comparison the Court was going to draw was between the Star Trek Copyrighted Works..."
"...for the rest of us who will not have slog through six hundred pages of expert testimony about whether or not the funny triangles on "Kharn's" costume in Prelude to Axanar are exactly the same as the funny triangle's on "General Chang's" costume in Star Trek VI.

(with respectful snips above, to Jedi's Post...)

Chang : You're a pistol! You're a really funny copyrighted triangle You're really funny!
Kharn: What do you mean I'm a funny copyrighted triangle?
Chang: You look funny, you know. It's a good triangle, it's funny, you're a funny triangle!
Kharn: [dangerously] What do you mean? You mean the way I look? What? I'm not a Star Trek triangle!
[The Courtroom becomes quiet]
Chang: It's just, you know, you're just funny. It's funny, the way you used the copyright, and everything, even though you are not copyrighted!
Kharn: Funny how? I mean, what's funny about it?
Minion: Kharn, no, you got it all wrong —
Kharn : Oh, oh, Minion. He's a big boy, he knows what he said. [to Chang] What did ya say? Funny how?
Chang: You're right.
Chang: Just —
Kharn: What?
Chang : Just, ya know, you're a funny copyrighted triangle.
Kharn: You mean, let me understand this, 'cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm copyrighted how? I mean copyrighted like I'm a Owned? I make you think I stole the triangle? What do you mean copyrighted? How am I copyrighted ?
Chang: Just... you know, how you used the copyright — what?
Kharn : No, no, I don't know. You said it! How do I know? You said I'm copyrighted How the heck am I copyrighted?! Tell me, tell me what's "copyrighted"!
[Long pause]

 

[Franklin]

I'm not pro-Ax or con-Ax, but what a dumb, specious, retroactively hypocritical thing to say. Far be it for me to tell you how to spend your own time on this legal issue of all things. Why not spend it on, oh, I dunno - anything else like reporting on all of those more worthy issues to which you ask Axanar supporters to contribute. And, by the way, they could do both, but like you, I'd prefer all the attention elsewhere. They might not come with the same immediate rewards and attention Axanar is providing you, but I agree they certainly are much more worthy of your obvious passion.

I don't have the time to think it out right now, but this comment on that comment is ironic?

 

[JWPlatt]

...maybe some of these people who continue to support Axanar blindly might want to consider other causes that could really use their attention and energy more.

Logical fallacy of false dilemma. They can handle more than one cause at a time, and probably do.

I don't have the time to think it out right now, but this comment on that comment is ironic?

Irony is my speciality. And if it is an ironic post, there's still something to learn there; the message is the same.

 

[Jedi_Master]

And if it is an ironic post, there's still something to learn there; .

Yep. The lesson is: don't be a dick.

 

[Squiggy]

I'm not pro-Ax or con-Ax...

This...coming from you?

It's like someone saying "I'm not racist but..."

 

[Sgt_G]

Let's keep it civil .......

 

[Amaris]

I'm not pro-Ax or con-Ax, but what a dumb, specious, retroactively hypocritical thing to say. Far be it for me to tell you how to spend your own time on this legal issue of all things. Why not spend it on, oh, I dunno - anything else like reporting on all of those more worthy issues to which you ask Axanar supporters to contribute. And, by the way, they could do both, but like you, I'd prefer all the attention elsewhere. They might not come with the same immediate rewards and attention Axanar is providing you, but I agree they certainly are much more worthy of your obvious passion.

Why do you waste your time here? All you do is complain. It is all you do here. If you don't like this subject, if you don't like what people are saying, if all you can do is incessantly berate and belittle everyone else in this thread because it doesn't meet your nebulous standard of right and thoughtful behavior, why post here? Why must you insist on being THAT person who has to make a negative comment every time? Why do you insist on making everyone else miserable?

 

[RedForman]

Yep. The lesson is: don't be a dick.

Obvious troll is obvious (JW, not you)

 

[JWPlatt]

Yep. The lesson is: don't be a dick.

No. It is that my failings are easier to see and acknowledge than one's own.

This...coming from you?

It's like someone saying "I'm not racist but..."

If I've given any impression that I care about Axanar and the various actors in this unfortunate growth industry, mea culpa. I don't. I do care that so much worthless and self-important attention is spent upon it, so that's where I spend my time on pointing it out. Ironic? I enjoy irony.

 

[Earthrise]

No. It is that my failings are easier to see and acknowledge than one's own.

If I've given any impression that I care about Axanar and the various actors in this unfortunate growth industry, mea culpa. I don't. I do care that so much worthless and self-important attention is spent upon it, so that's where I spend my time on pointing it out. Ironic? I enjoy irony.

You're on a Star Trek discussion board. There's nothing on the board that we discuss that's too important in the long run. It's entertainment. It's social creatures being social. It's not curing cancer.

And you know what? There's nothing wrong with that.

 

[Mudd]

It is that my failings are easier to see and acknowledge...

There's a reason.

 

[Jedi_Master]

No. It is that my failings are easier to see and acknowledge than one's own.


If I've given any impression that I care about Axanar and the various actors in this unfortunate growth industry, mea culpa. I don't. I do care that so much worthless and self-important attention is spent upon it, so that's where I spend my time on pointing it out. Ironic? I enjoy irony.

So let me talk this through... you waste your time telling people that they are wasting their time?
That's not irony, that's idiocy.