Spoilers The Flash - Season 2
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Every time Barry was in the speedforce, I kept waiting for them to say: "The Allen is corporeal. The Allen is linear. The Allen is of Central City."
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Good script from Zack Stentz, as usual (though I don't think I've ever seen him work without Ashley Miller before). Some good humor and effective emotion. Iris came off as unusually impressive and strong, perhaps because the writer and director gave the actress so much to work with. I think the idea of the Speed Force as basically some kind of god is a bit silly, but at this point I've acclimated to silly.
How is Barry's costume intact again after being shredded? Does the Speed Force do tailoring too?
Kind of a CW in-joke going on with Greg Finley's character coming back as a zombie, which is the same state as his recurring character on iZombie recently. I think Cisco even called him "iZombie" at one point, which suggests that the show exists as fiction on Earth-1, which disappointingly rules out the possibility of its taking place on a parallel Earth that the Flash could visit. (Well, unless Rob Thomas is the Gardner Fox of his world and is psychically experiencing the events on Earth-Vertigo in his dreams...)
How is Barry's costume intact again after being shredded? Does the Speed Force do tailoring too?
Kind of a CW in-joke going on with Greg Finley's character coming back as a zombie, which is the same state as his recurring character on iZombie recently. I think Cisco even called him "iZombie" at one point, which suggests that the show exists as fiction on Earth-1, which disappointingly rules out the possibility of its taking place on a parallel Earth that the Flash could visit. (Well, unless Rob Thomas is the Gardner Fox of his world and is psychically experiencing the events on Earth-Vertigo in his dreams...)
^ I don't think it matters. Barry had a spiritual experience and we're over-thinking and over-analyzing it. He crossed over and came to grips with something he needed to come to grips with and returned a new man. Personally, I liked it. It was better than simply getting his powers back by recreating the conditions of the accident. And yes, I also thought of "Emissary". There was a bit of Superman III in there as well. 
Should have known we'd get a Jason Mewes cameo too.
Should have known we'd get a Jason Mewes cameo too.
I thought that Metal Zombie Guy was a bit extraneous but I guess they needed to give the gang something to do.
He's in IZombie and they called him IZombie.
That's what they call a joke in some fields.
That's what they call a joke in some fields.
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^ Haven't seen season 2 yet.
Speculation on Barry's dad...
Some people think he's going to die.
I always thought the Speed Force was some kind of a continuum, like time-space. But I suppose it's not outside the realm of possibility for it to be sentient. I felt the human manifestations had too much vested interest in Barry moving on and resolving his grief, which seemed a bit too personal. Even Speed Force Nora got emotional and acted like the real mother.
Was "Run, Barry, run" a nod to Forrest Gump?
Was "Run, Barry, run" a nod to Forrest Gump?
Space-Time is just a pompous way of saying a particular point in space at a specific point in time.
1. The speedforce is Barry. That was old Barry talking to young Barry tonight.
(Or)
2. Dying speedsters run into the speedforce and then their consciousnesses become hive mind and atemporal like the prophets from Deep Space Nine.
1. The speedforce is Barry. That was old Barry talking to young Barry tonight.
(Or)
2. Dying speedsters run into the speedforce and then their consciousnesses become hive mind and atemporal like the prophets from Deep Space Nine.
Seems to be akin to when the comics Flash (Wally West) spoke of the speed force "calling to him". Max Mercury, if memory serves, had a friendly long running argument with Johnny Quick that, roughly, could accommodate the way the Speed Force "behaves" here. A loosely drawn thematic connection but not entirely without precedent.
Now I'm imagining a naked Barry running into a naked Trajectory in the speed force.
Well, Kevin Smith tries to find work for his pal Jason Mewes and ... oh, wait, that other metal zombie guy.
well, saying something like 'i'm here to stay.' is a red flag for certain.
It's Girder's third appearance on the show?
Fourth?
Third.
That makes him Flash Royalty, almost.
Point is that "Greg" did 120 episodes of The Secret Life of the American Teenager, y'know, where Shailene Woodley comes from, so he's actually tapping a massive fanbase of girlbrained idiots who like that shit (I watched 3 seasons in three weeks. Horrible, and horribly addictive. The authors don't know how to use full stops. Like a Kevin Smith speech, but rarely funny.).
Fourth?
Third.
That makes him Flash Royalty, almost.
Point is that "Greg" did 120 episodes of The Secret Life of the American Teenager, y'know, where Shailene Woodley comes from, so he's actually tapping a massive fanbase of girlbrained idiots who like that shit (I watched 3 seasons in three weeks. Horrible, and horribly addictive. The authors don't know how to use full stops. Like a Kevin Smith speech, but rarely funny.).
At one point in the comics, when Wally was the Flash, his legs got broken - not sure why his speed healing didn't sort it out (did the Flash have that power at that point in the comics? I know they gave Impulse rapid healing which caused problems when he had his kneecap blown out by Deathstroke) but he instead created a suit of pure speed force energy that acted as a cast whilst still allowing him to run.
Fantastic episode! Everything was so well done. The pacing was perfect between the scenes with Barry and the scenes back on Earth. There was never a dull moment. I love metaphysical stuff so I particularly liked the scenes with Barry in the speed force. Yes, it definitely reminded me of the wormhole aliens in DS9 in a good way. I thought the scene with Barry's mom reading "the runaway dinosaur" was incredible moving. I won't lie. I shed some tears several times during the episode. The episode had some funny moments, particularly with Cisco and the zombie references. And of course the final scene with Zoom and his meta-human army was chilling and a great way to make the viewer want to see what comes next.
I suspect that the finale is a going to be a battle royale of speedsters. Can't wait!
I suspect that the finale is a going to be a battle royale of speedsters. Can't wait!
By the way, it's appropriate that the mother in the dinosaur book was a maiasaur, because the name means "good mother reptile," since that was the first dinosaur species for which we discovered evidence of mothers taking care of their young.
Both DC and Marvel tend to treat the fundamental essences of the universe as having sentience and anthropomorphic forms. DC has characters like the Endless (Death, Destiny, etc.) and Kismet (basically the embodiment of time), and Marvel has entities like Infinity and Eternity (the embodiments of space and time), the Beyonder, Galactus, etc.
It's been a recurring catchphrase in the series since the pilot. It was what Henry said to young Barry on the night of Nora's murder, and what Thawne-Wells repeated at the climax of the pilot to motivate Barry. It's shown up at key moments throughout the series ever since. Note also how the Speed Force embodiments all said "Sit, Barry, sit," as a counterpoint to that. I was expecting that repetition of "Sit" to be a clue, like that maybe Barry had to stop chasing his speed and let it come to him, or that he had to find stillness and inner peace. I suppose in a sense that was implicitly the case.
Both DC and Marvel tend to treat the fundamental essences of the universe as having sentience and anthropomorphic forms. DC has characters like the Endless (Death, Destiny, etc.) and Kismet (basically the embodiment of time), and Marvel has entities like Infinity and Eternity (the embodiments of space and time), the Beyonder, Galactus, etc.
Was "Run, Barry, run" a nod to Forrest Gump?
It's been a recurring catchphrase in the series since the pilot. It was what Henry said to young Barry on the night of Nora's murder, and what Thawne-Wells repeated at the climax of the pilot to motivate Barry. It's shown up at key moments throughout the series ever since. Note also how the Speed Force embodiments all said "Sit, Barry, sit," as a counterpoint to that. I was expecting that repetition of "Sit" to be a clue, like that maybe Barry had to stop chasing his speed and let it come to him, or that he had to find stillness and inner peace. I suppose in a sense that was implicitly the case.
The episode had a lot of interesting counterpoints and symbolism like that. I would say that Barry defines himself by his speed. Running towards a threat, running to save someone, that is how Barry sees his purpose in life. But running cannot be his only purpose. Sometimes he needs to stop running in order to reflect which is what the speed force was trying to get him to do by saying "sit".