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Spoilers The Flash - Season 2

I know some people thought that Iris' love confession to Barry in the previous episode seemed a bit contrived. But when you consider how Iris was the one to bring Barry out of the speed force, I think it really set up nicely how important they are to each other. It continues the theme of destiny or fate, how Barry and Iris are meant to be together. This episode really illustrated that well I think.
 
This was a fantastic episode. Well-written, exciting, and deeply emotional in the scene with Barry and his 'mom.' I choked up myself too, especially as they were reading The Runaway Dinosaur. After a weak couple episodes earlier, these last two have been excellent, Season 1 level Flash episodes.

I definitely got a Bajoran Wormhole vibe from the Speed Force scenes, in both the format and to some extent the story itself, but that was honestly more than fine by me. "Emissary" is still my favorite Star Trek pilot for a reason, after all. Everybody played their parts perfectly, and what the Speed Force was trying to teach Barry was an important lesson about accepting death and moving on so that he could get his speed back and be the hero he needs to be.

If you'd told me a year ago, or even moreso 5 months ago, that Barry and Iris would be happening and I'd be completely on board I would have thought you were crazy, because I've consistently been unimpressed and disinterested in this version of Iris. But in this and the last episode I've finally thought they made it work. I don't know if Candace Patton's upped her game or we finally got some actually good writing for Iris, but I'm onboard with it now.

No confirmation for sure on Wally or Jessie, but I'm pretty certain Jessie has speed - hence the coma and the waking up by Barry's lightning. Maybe Wally's speed is just slow-acting or something? Of course, he didn't have any interaction with a speed formula of any sort. (Also, minor nitpick in an otherwise fantastic episode, but does Wally still not know Barry is the Flash? If not, what was Iris' explanation for Barry being 'gone'?)

You know what's the only unfortunate part, is that the metahuman army scene at the end didn't really work for me and felt tacked on - maybe should've just ended with Hunter leaving the room Caitlin is in. Of course, it doesn't help that Zoom is just so much more intimidating as Masked Tony Todd and after the Hunter reveal I don't see any season to have him unmasked.
 
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Kestrel said:
No confirmation for sure on Wally or Jesse, but I'm pretty certain Jesse has speed - hence the coma and the waking up by Barry's lightning. Maybe Wally's speed is just slow-acting or something?
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I see two possibilities. Either he is a speedster and is hiding it or his speed is dormant and it will activate when Barry touches him like it did with Jesse.

You know what's the only unfortunate part, is that the metahuman army scene at the end didn't really work for me and felt tacked on - maybe should've just ended with Hunter leaving the room Caitlin is in.
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I wish that the Flash had rescued Caitlin while Zoom was giving his pep talk and then when Zoom re-entered the room, he sees an empty chair with a note like "I'm back" or "I'm coming for you".
 
Ooh I like that idea, yeah.

The problem with Wally hiding it, is why would he? Considering how excited he's been about the Flash and his whole thing about wanting to "do more." Dormant and activated by Barry though, I can see that.
 
I expected them both and something happened. Might take longer for him, as mentioned. Who knows.

Now all we need is Patty but I guess that's further down the line.
 
Romulan_spy said:
I see two possibilities. Either he is a speedster and is hiding it or his speed is dormant and it will activate when Barry touches him like it did with Jesse.
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I seriously doubt he would hide it. The second idea is possible, but it's also just as possible that he really didn't get any speed. After all, he didn't replicate Barry's accident as perfectly as Jessie, and he didn't get Barry's coma, either.

And like someone else mentioned, I like the twist that everyone assumed they were both going to be powered up but now apparently only one is (for now).
 
Yeah I don't think the assumption people had was that Wally alone would be next, but that Wally and Jessie would both get speed.
 
Is Barry going to be faster as a result of his experience in the Speed Force? I'm thinking that not letting go of his mother's death was holding him back mentally so now that he has resolved that, he will be able to "let loose" and he will be much faster in season 3.
 
^Does it matter? I think Barry's speed is going to be the kind of thing where, no matter how much faster he theoretically gets, he's still going to be just as fast as a given plot needs him to be, and not quite fast enough to defeat the season's big bad. Kinda like how the Power Rangers keep getting more and more powerful suit upgrades and weapons and Zords over the course of the season but don't really have an easier time defeating the monsters-of-the-week. Or how DS9's Starfleet upgraded from photon torpedoes to quantum torpedoes, but they were still pretty much just glowing cannonballs as far as the action was concerned.
 
Just watching the latest Fatman On Batman on YouTube - Kevin Smith has the writer of the episode - Zack Stentz - in the studio to talk about Flash stuff, who mentioned how some of the episode was "A little bit like the Prophets in DS9". Nice to know that they think about this stuff too!

Smith also said that he will be directing another episode eventually, probably with Stentz writing it.
 
I'm always game for more Zack Stentz scripts. Not only is he a good writer (and not only are we online acquaintances from back in the Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda days), but he knows his science. Even with the Speed Force antics, there was actually some borderline-decent physics here (at least by this show's standards), like the bit about charging the electromagnets through a rotating electric current.
 
Gryffindorian said:
I always thought the Speed Force was some kind of a continuum, like time-space. But I suppose it's not outside the realm of possibility for it to be sentient. I felt the human manifestations had too much vested interest in Barry moving on and resolving his grief, which seemed a bit too personal. Even Speed Force Nora got emotional and acted like the real mother.

Was "Run, Barry, run" a nod to Forrest Gump? ;)
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In some incarnations, Barry becomes the lightning bolt that gives him his speed, and, in effect, IS the speed force / origin of the speed force.... and i do believe it has been shown to be a sort of afterlife for speedsters.
 
ITL said:
Just watching the latest Fatman On Batman on YouTube - Kevin Smith has the writer of the episode - Zack Stentz - in the studio to talk about Flash stuff, who mentioned how some of the episode was "A little bit like the Prophets in DS9". Nice to know that they think about this stuff too!

Smith also said that he will be directing another episode eventually, probably with Stentz writing it.
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Nice to see DS9 getting a mention on Smith's show.

It was a great episode, first one I can really say that for in about a month. Love the stuff with Barry and his speed force "mother" and I got a little emotional when Barry was reading the book all from memory. That entire scene felt like Flash season 1.
 
Romulan_spy said:
I see two possibilities. Either he is a speedster and is hiding it or his speed is dormant and it will activate when Barry touches him like it did with Jesse.
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My prediction is that after Zoom is defeated, the last scene in the season finale will be Jessie and/or Wally suddenly demonstrating super speed to everyone's shock.
 
Enterprise1701 said:
My prediction is that after Zoom is defeated, the last scene in the season finale will be Jessie and/or Wally suddenly demonstrating super speed to everyone's shock.
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That or Zoom will have Barry on the ropes or be holding a hostage to stop him attacking, and either Jessie or Wally will blindside him with a superspeed attack, freeing Barry to take him down.
 
Yeah, I liked Iris a lot more in this episode, acting as part of the team, than when they sideline her in family/outside relationship drama.

There's always the possibility that the Speed Force isn't sentient, but Barry's subconscious was projecting itself through it.
 
Given that Wally was never in a coma, I don't think he's gotten his speed just yet. Remember how Wells couldn't find Jessie's heartbeat at first? When Barry was in a coma, they thought his heart had stopped, but it was actually racing too fast to detect. So Jessie Quick, probably, but Wally, I doubt it at this point.

In fact, I can see them doing a storyline where Wally resents it that Jessie became a speedster and he didn't, and he does something reckless to try to get speed powers for himself.
 
GIving Jesse powers will add another angsty dynamic to the series. Wells is all about keeping his daughter safe, and all whe will want to do is put on Trajectory's costume and be Barry's sidekick. I just hope it doesn't get too annoying.
 
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