Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND

[RAMA]

It's on!

So much for the doubters.

250 tickets in five 50-block phases!

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Ah, Trek fans where they complain if they don't get any Star Trek and complain when there is some Star Trek. You have to love them.

Trek fans we all.

 

[mattman8907]

i may be a trek fan but i'm not that big of a fan. (No offense to those that are).

 

[mos6507]

Well, we don't see Quinto Spock smiling much. His emotions seem to lean more toward anger, rather than joy.

Kor

I bet there is some of JJ's directing sensibility at work too....

JJ seems to have a fascination with emos that are whiney and issue woe-is-me pleadings and then go on borderline-camp temper-tantrums. Spock's "nobody knows what it's like to have to hold my feelings in" spiel and later Khaan!!! rage is not unlike Kylo Ren's teen angst scenes and yelling and slicing up his room in Force Awakens.

 

[mos6507]

They do! They show how memorable those few moments of Spock showing emotions were, that the two(!) instances he broke them (one of them is clearly early-installment-weirdness though) leave such a big mark in our memories!

(Also note: Both of them are examples of Spock showing positive emotions.)

The difference is that everyone around Spock in TOS are aware that he needs to contain his emotions, so when he loses it, they react. This is one of my favorite moments of all TOS where he loses it.

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It's the fact Spock loses it, then tries to cover it up again, and everyone around him acknowledges that he lost it, that makes the moment.

When nuSpock displays too much emotion (not just temper tantrums, but just more overall emotional dynamics) nobody around him looks at him funny. He's not acting the way most would expect Vulcans to act, but there's no reaction at all, and so it's really jarring. If the audience didn't know that Vulcans weren't supposed to suppress emotions you might not pick it up via Quintos performance.

Then again, even Nimoy's cameo seemed to express more emotion than typical TOS Spock, but that was due to him being at the tail end of reconciling his human and Vulcan halves, feeling like he had nothing left to prove to anyone.

 

[jamestyler]

I bet there is some of JJ's directing sensibility at work too....

JJ seems to have a fascination with emos that are whiney and issue woe-is-me pleadings and then go on borderline-camp temper-tantrums. Spock's "nobody knows what it's like to have to hold my feelings in" spiel and later Khaan!!! rage is not unlike Kylo Ren's teen angst scenes and yelling and slicing up his room in Force Awakens.

Whiney and woe-is-me.

Bloody hell. This was a character who watched his mum disintegrate in front of him, saw his entire planet melt then his bestie die like a gremlin in a microwave and not being able to shrug it off makes him whiney?

You're blacklisted from all funerals from here 'till death.

 

[Ovation]

Again: Is that still Spock though? Imagine Krypton never exploded, and Kal-El as Superman instead came to Earth as an evil conquerer, murdering the world leaders and becoming a dictator to the whole planet.

Would that still be Superman "just we are seeing him take on different challenges"??

Yes. It would. In fact there is a comics series in publication right now that effectively has what you describe minus the Krypton didn't blow up part. I find a fascinating look into what could happen to Superman if his context changed from the standard.

 

[mos6507]

Whiney and woe-is-me.

Bloody hell. This was a character who watched his mum disintegrate in front of him, saw his entire planet melt then his bestie die like a gremlin in a microwave and not being able to shrug it off makes him whiney?

You're blacklisted from all funerals from here 'till death.

If he's really that PTSD he never should have made it through the academy. Either you can do the job or you can't.

Remember that ultimately Starfleet is military. Military situations require you deal with death on a regular basis. As Kirk said in Trek II, how you deal with death is at least as important as how you deal with life. Spock isn't entitled to be emo (especially in a crisis situation) if he wants to serve competently in Starfleet.

 

[Nerys Myk]

If he's really that PTSD he never should have made it through the academy. Either you can do the job or you can't.

Remember that ultimately Starfleet is military. Military situations require you deal with death on a regular basis. As Kirk said in Trek II, how you deal with death is at least as important as how you deal with life. Spock isn't entitled to be emo (especially in a crisis situation) if he wants to serve competently in Starfleet.

Huh? I don't think PTSD is something you're born with. Spock didn't have it at the academy. Frankly calling someone with PTSD "emo" is very disrespectful towards veterans, active duty military and others who have gone through it.

 

[Doom Shepherd]

If he's really that PTSD he never should have made it through the academy. Either you can do the job or you can't.

Remember that ultimately Starfleet is military. Military situations require you deal with death on a regular basis. As Kirk said in Trek II, how you deal with death is at least as important as how you deal with life. Spock isn't entitled to be emo (especially in a crisis situation) if he wants to serve competently in Starfleet.

 

[Jedi_Master]

If he's really that PTSD he never should have made it through the academy. Either you can do the job or you can't.

Remember that ultimately Starfleet is military. Military situations require you deal with death on a regular basis. As Kirk said in Trek II, how you deal with death is at least as important as how you deal with life. Spock isn't entitled to be emo (especially in a crisis situation) if he wants to serve competently in Starfleet.

It seems that in this post there is a fundamental misunderstanding of what PTSD is, how those who suffer from it function, and what the expectations of others who interact with PTSD should be.

 

[Ovation]

If he's really that PTSD he never should have made it through the academy. Either you can do the job or you can't.

Remember that ultimately Starfleet is military. Military situations require you deal with death on a regular basis. As Kirk said in Trek II, how you deal with death is at least as important as how you deal with life. Spock isn't entitled to be emo (especially in a crisis situation) if he wants to serve competently in Starfleet.

First, he's graduated from the Academy, so that's a pointless observation. Second, "ultimately Starfleet is military" is rather reductionist. It's also set 300 years from now. Do you seriously believe there have been no significant changes in military protocol (assuming your reductionist view is applicable) since the early 18th century? Why would there not be 300 years hence?

Oh, and your understanding of PTSD is staggeringly incorrect.

 

[BillJ]

Man, Star Trek fans are a classy bunch...

I got told on the TrekCore forum that "I hope you choke on your popcorn to spare us a decade worth of defending this boring crap online."

I feel special that I'm annoying enough that people want me to die.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Man, Star Trek fans are a classy bunch...

I got told on the TrekCore forum that "I hope you choke on your popcorn to spare us a decade worth of defending this boring crap online."

I feel special that I'm annoying enough that people want me to die.

I haven't had popcorn at the theater in ages. I prefer getting ripped off when I buy nachos and "cheese."

 

[BillJ]

I prefer getting ripped off when I buy nachos and "cheese."

I like the pretzel bites with the faux cheese and jalapenos.

 

[Jedi_Master]

I have the feeling that ST:Beyond is going to be a good whatever snacks you love movie.

 

[RAMA]

I've seen some real idiots on the trek media sites lately. Honestly, I'm glad the new movies appeal to casual fans or even just happy movie goers, because I no longer have a positive vision of my fellow Trekkies. I probably started losing it about 5-6 years ago(though the first hit it took was in 1990 or so when I started seeing internet comments about stng. I was so disappointed with my fellow trekkies). Ultimately it makes me less of a genre fan in general because then my thoughts turn to: It's only a movie or tv show...which is fine, that's all they are, but i can't help but think I got a little more out of it than most modern fans.

Admission: I wrote a more scathing review here of my fellow trekkers, but thought better of it. There's still lots of good ones whether I agree with them or not.

RAMA

Man, Star Trek fans are a classy bunch...

I got told on the TrekCore forum that "I hope you choke on your popcorn to spare us a decade worth of defending this boring crap online."

I feel special that I'm annoying enough that people want me to die.

How ironic, the movies that restored excitement are now "boring". http://www.theonion.com/video/trekkies-bash-new-star-trek-film-as-fun-watchable-14333

 

[Franklin]

If he's really that PTSD he never should have made it through the academy. Either you can do the job or you can't.

Remember that ultimately Starfleet is military. Military situations require you deal with death on a regular basis. As Kirk said in Trek II, how you deal with death is at least as important as how you deal with life. Spock isn't entitled to be emo (especially in a crisis situation) if he wants to serve competently in Starfleet.

Go buy a war vet a beer and tell him or her that. Double dog dare you. When a vet wells up in tears recalling the loss of a buddy in battle fifty years ago, "emo" is a big deal.

 

[ricardocube]

The big problem with "Khaaaaan" was that at that particular moment, Spock was emotionally compromised. He lost control. He wanted to kill Khan and avenge Kirk's death. Hardly logical. According to Star Trek 09, a commanding officer who is emotionally compromised should give up command. In '09, Spock recognised he was compromised so gave up command immediately. That didn't happen in into darkness. I think Spock's problem is rage outbursts. I do hope they tone it down for Beyond.

 

[Franklin]

The big problem with "Khaaaaan" was that at that particular moment, Spock was emotionally compromised. He lost control. He wanted to kill Khan and avenge Kirk's death. Hardly logical. According to Star Trek 09, a commanding officer who is emotionally compromised should give up command. In '09, Spock recognised he was compromised so gave up command immediately. That didn't happen in into darkness. I think Spock's problem is rage outbursts. I do hope they tone it down for Beyond.

If they were honest, I imagine everyone in the chain of command would have to admit he or she was emotionally compromised at that point. And who among them would not have wanted to kill Khan?