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Nobody's forgetting anything.

Spock smiling in two out of 79 episodes, one of them being a pilot with virtually no resemblance to the rest of the series in terms of characters, doesn't prove much :lol:
Bill said emotions, not smiling. Spock runs through several emotional states over the course of the series. From joy to sadness to anger and everything in between.

The only portrayals I don't like are NuScotty, NuChapel, and NuRand.
The last two don't even appear. Name drops at best.
 
Nobody's forgetting anything.

Spock smiling in two out of 79 episodes, one of them being a pilot with virtually no resemblance to the rest of the series in terms of characters, doesn't prove much :lol:

They do! They show how memorable those few moments of Spock showing emotions were, that the two(!) instances he broke them (one of them is clearly early-installment-weirdness though) leave such a big mark in our memories!

(Also note: Both of them are examples of Spock showing positive emotions.)
 
They do! They show how memorable those few moments of Spock showing emotions were, that the two(!) instances he broke them (one of them is clearly early-installment-weirdness though) leave such a big mark in our memories!

(Also note: Both of them are examples of Spock showing positive emotions.)
Much more than two. As I've mentioned, any episode where Spock is front and center has him dealing with emotions. Be it his feelings for his father, love for a woman, friendship with Kirk or frustration with McCoy.
 
nuSpock is definetely emotional unstable. While his original counterpart was the exact counterpart. It's not that original Spock didn't have any emotions. He just didn't let them dictate his actions. NuSpock is only superficial identifiable as Spock by his surface characteristics - his looks, his name, and his speaking pattern. But as it is I would feel unsafe in the same elvator as with him, since as soon as the elevator got stuck he will probably not be able to contain his anger...

And yes, Vulcans were rarely shown as being "better" than humans, but as "equal". IDIC and all that stuff, remember? NuVulcans are a bunch of racist bad guys ("Your human mother" my ass) that are clearly inferiout to humans in any way... A great indicator of the world view of the writers. (Although to be fair that startet in "Enterprise" and was only retconned in the 4th season. But it lead to many fan outcrys. By the time of the JJmovies the Vulcans as assholes were just accepted).
 
Spock also hints at the fact that his emotions are different that most of humans that he works with, which is something that Nimoy hints at the nature of Spock. One facet of Spock's character was that the emotions ran deep underneath the surface. Prime Spock has had years of discipline and control while nu Spock is battling with severe emotions that Prime Spock never had to deal with.

He's still Spock, just we are seeing him take on different challenges.
 
They do! They show how memorable those few moments of Spock showing emotions were, that the two(!) instances he broke them (one of them is clearly early-installment-weirdness though) leave such a big mark in our memories!

Those are the two I have handy. Anyone that has watched TOS knows that Spock was quite emotional throughout the show.
 
Spock also hints at the fact that his emotions are different that most of humans that he works with, which is something that Nimoy hints at the nature of Spock. One facet of Spock's character was that the emotions ran deep underneath the surface. Prime Spock has had years of discipline and control while nu Spock is battling with severe emotions that Prime Spock never had to deal with.

He's still Spock, just we are seeing him take on different challenges.

Again: Is that still Spock though? Imagine Krypton never exploded, and Kal-El as Superman instead came to Earth as an evil conquerer, murdering the world leaders and becoming a dictator to the whole planet.

Would that still be Superman "just we are seeing him take on different challenges"??
 
Again: Is that still Spock though? Imagine Krypton never exploded, and Kal-El as Superman instead came to Earth as an evil conquerer, murdering the world leaders and becoming a dictator to the whole planet.

Would that still be Superman "just we are seeing him take on different challenges"??
I think so. I might be in the minority, and that's fine, but I think so.
 
Would that still be Superman "just we are seeing him take on different challenges"??

Yeah. That's the great thing about alternate universes. We can explore different paths the characters may take. We know Kirk is a terrible individual in at least one universe, yet I've never seen anyone challenge that he isn't Jim Kirk.
 
The only portrayals I don't like are NuScotty, NuChapel, and NuRand.

LOL. I see what you did there.

I will say that Pegg doesn't channel Doohan well but in his own right I do find him funny. He's the comic relief of the show.

The Franklin bridge looks kind of um "cost effective" to me.
Thats what I thought. Like the battle bridge of TNG or something.
 
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nuSpock is definetely emotional unstable. While his original counterpart was the exact counterpart. It's not that original Spock didn't have any emotions. He just didn't let them dictate his actions. NuSpock is only superficial identifiable as Spock by his surface characteristics - his looks, his name, and his speaking pattern. But as it is I would feel unsafe in the same elvator as with him, since as soon as the elevator got stuck he will probably not be able to contain his anger...
He gets angry maybe once in each film. And he doesn't spend the entirely of out of control. Unless you killed his Captain or destroyed his planet, you're probably safe.

And yes, Vulcans were rarely shown as being "better" than humans, but as "equal". IDIC and all that stuff, remember? NuVulcans are a bunch of racist bad guys ("Your human mother" my ass) that are clearly inferiout to humans in any way... A great indicator of the world view of the writers. (Although to be fair that startet in "Enterprise" and was only retconned in the 4th season. But it lead to many fan outcrys. By the time of the JJmovies the Vulcans as assholes were just accepted).
IDIC is a marketing gimmick designed to sell mail order trinkets. I think it was mentioned once in TOS. Spock is always putting humans down in TOS and promoting Vulcans as better. He gives it back to McCoy and Kirk in spades. T'Pau and Sarek also subtly promote Vulcan superiority. ( the only two real Vulcans with significant parts in TOS). Then we have that schemer T'Pring, who thinks nothing of placing Kirk in a deadly situation to further her own plans. The Vulcan Captain in DS9's "Take Me Out To the Holosuit" is also a bit of a dick and a Vulcan "supremacist" So the idea that Vulcans are "racists" and assholes is as old as the series. All Enterprise did was put it front and center.

TOS almost always championed the "human" way over the alien, including Vulcans. Spock's logic often fails and he winds up doing the "human" thing which works and saves the say, As in "Galileo Seven".
 
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Again: Is that still Spock though? Imagine Krypton never exploded, and Kal-El as Superman instead came to Earth as an evil conquerer, murdering the world leaders and becoming a dictator to the whole planet.

Would that still be Superman "just we are seeing him take on different challenges"??
An example much more extreme than what is going on with Spock. But one that has been explored in comics. We've seen countless variations of Superman. And quite often he winds up similar to the "main" Superman, though not with out struggle.
 
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So I'm guessing they are saving the promotional push for post-Memorial Day?
Marketing seems a bit quite on this and has for awhile.
 
Again: Is that still Spock though? Imagine Krypton never exploded, and Kal-El as Superman instead came to Earth as an evil conquerer, murdering the world leaders and becoming a dictator to the whole planet.

Would that still be Superman "just we are seeing him take on different challenges"??
No. "Superman" is the amalgamation of Kal son of Jor-El and Clark Kent. In your hypothetical, he was never Clark Kent.

But here is where the fallacy creeps in.

First you equate the individual to a state of being. They are not the same. More importantly, however, there is a huge range or variance where the two intersect. And from a creative standpoint, there are invite combinations, all viable for a storyteller to use. As such, if a DC writer chose to tell your story, he'd be perfectly in his right to do so. Likewise with Spock.

Except that's not what happened here.

A more appropriate comparison would be Kal gets to Earth, but, when he's still a baby, the Old Ford falls on Glenn Ford during a tornado while he's on the phone being blackmailed by Lionel Luther and keels over. So Clark grows up with only Martha's influence. In the end, he's probably mostly the same do-gooder, but there's certainly to be some effect on his personality and daily life--his relationship with Lois, for example.

That's nuSpock in a nutshell. He's still the half Vulcan/Human Science/Executive Officer of the Enterprise, but the inner bits are scrambled up a bit.
 
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