Be careful. He may hear you. We want him to believe he can steal it.
Spoilers The Flash - Season 2
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I just don't get it. Speed Force is an extradimensional power source speedster's tap into directly. I don't understand this show and its whole "stealing speed" thing or why they forgot that the last few percentage Zoom stole earlier in the year recharged on its own.
Maybe draining the Speed Force completely from someone severs their connection to it.
Which begs the question again, why didn't Barry just give Zoom 90% or 95% of the speed force? Zoom would be none the wiser if they had rigged the computer to say "100%" and Barry could have recharged his speed force. Why literally give all of it and permanently lose his speed when they could have easily come up with a way to dupe Zoom?
No doubt it was poorly handled in the script. They should've had Zoom refuse to release Wally until after he'd taken Barry's speed and confirmed it was truly gone. Then the team would've been forced to comply for real. (Although then Zoom would've had no incentive to keep his word and release Wally at all.)
I suppose one could rationalize that they knew Zoom would detect a trick before long (he is superfast, after all, and spent months working with them as Jay and familiarizing himself with their equipment and methods) and punish them or Wally for it. It's still awkward, though.
I suppose one could rationalize that they knew Zoom would detect a trick before long (he is superfast, after all, and spent months working with them as Jay and familiarizing himself with their equipment and methods) and punish them or Wally for it. It's still awkward, though.
I think this might be a case where the writers kinda got stuck. They had Barry catch Zoom when there were still 3 episodes left before the grand finale. So, the characters had to be a little dumb in order for Zoom to escape so that they could have a big climactic battle in the finale.
Nice edit. They even got a bit creative with the imagery in the interdimensional tunnel.
Maybe he was also "disoriented from the scream." If Kara could forget to protect her secret identity in front of some strange guy in a leather suit, maybe Barry could forget he'd just crossed dimensions.
So, apparently #keepirisblack is a thing, due to outrage among fans of the show finding out that the movie might revert Iris to her comic skin tone. I'm indifferent to this - if the movie is gonna shit on the show, it needn't offer it a towel afterwards by honoring the decision to increase diversity by making Iris black. Hell, with a name like Iris they could possibly have her be of Asian extraction and make the character a composite of Iris and Linda's backstories.
I think somehow the speed formula that is utilized eventually by Jesse Quick is also going to be responsible for jumpstarting Barry's lost connection.
As to the #keepirisblack thing
I'm all for literal translation of any property as much as possible. It was a pure PC move to alter the Wests, all of them. If the writers want a black love interest for Barry I've no issue with that. Comic fans have proven they'll accept GL and Speedsters regardless of race/gender. If DC comics wanted a black speedster they should've just created a cool new character and not pulled this ethnicity swap in the first place.
As to the #keepirisblack thing
I'm all for literal translation of any property as much as possible. It was a pure PC move to alter the Wests, all of them. If the writers want a black love interest for Barry I've no issue with that. Comic fans have proven they'll accept GL and Speedsters regardless of race/gender. If DC comics wanted a black speedster they should've just created a cool new character and not pulled this ethnicity swap in the first place.
Because for many people, it's not just "nice," it's an important step forward, and undoing it would be a step backward. I suppose it could be balanced out if a different heroic character in the cast is played by a black actor, but there is still so much progress left to make to gain true equality in Hollywood that any step backward is a danger sign.
I asked a black friend just last week that I haven't seen in awhile. He doesn't like the West change, so that's one black person anyway who's not for it. Maybe JD has another.
I guess I don't really see it as undoing anything since it was just a change made for the show. From what I can tell this hasn't become the standard version, so I don't really see why the movie should have to do it too.
And before people start accusing me of being racist, I have no problems with them changing character's races, I love Idris Elba in the Thor movies, and I do like Candice Patton in the TV series. I just don't think the movie should be forced to do it just because the TV series did.
Because it's about so very, very much more than just the characters. The characters don't exist; what affects them is beside the point. What matters is the impact on real people who face discrimination every day of their lives and are used to seeing themselves excluded from the media, to seeing every step forward in equality followed by a push backward. If you can't understand it, that doesn't mean the attitude is wrong. It just means you don't have the perspective or experience to see why it's important. And if you don't understand, the solution is to listen and gain understanding, not to just dismiss the whole idea as inconsequential because it's outside your experience.
It's not about "forcing," it's about not wanting to lose ground again. Once more, don't look at it from the characters' perspective. Imagine a world where your kind of people are consistently marginalized, excluded, and stereotyped in the vast majority of fiction and discriminated against in real life. Imagine how important it would be to see any step toward greater equality and how disappointing it would be to see it unmade, regardless of the reasons.
I mean, look. I'm a heterosexual white Anglo-Saxon cis-male whose paternal ancestors practically came over on the Mayflower (well, the Hercules of Sandwich in 1634) and whose maternal ancestors fought for the Confederacy (I think). I'm about as deep in the bubble of privilege as it's possible to get. And I understand perfectly why people would be concerned about this. So you can too, if you just listen to the perspectives of people in other groups and respect that they have reasons for their concerns, rather than just saying "I don't understand" as if that were somehow their shortcoming instead of yours.
I don't think this is coming across the way I intended.
I just meant that they shouldn't do something in the movies just because they did it in the TV shows. I would be saying the same thing if people were trying to get them to puy Vibe and a heroic Killer Frost in the movie just because they're on the TV show.
I really didn't even mean this as a racial thing, I was just thinking of it as more of a TV vs movie thing.
I just meant that they shouldn't do something in the movies just because they did it in the TV shows. I would be saying the same thing if people were trying to get them to puy Vibe and a heroic Killer Frost in the movie just because they're on the TV show.
I really didn't even mean this as a racial thing, I was just thinking of it as more of a TV vs movie thing.
And that's just the problem -- it's naive and unrealistic to pretend that the racial component is irrelevant. You may want it to be irrelevant, but sadly, it isn't, not when the Hollywood feature industry is still so profoundly biased in favor of white people. TV has gotten much better at representation in recent years, but the feature industry is still trapped in a very racist set of assumptions about what audiences (implicitly meaning white audiences) want to see. So we get movie execs casting white actresses as Asian characters and holding meetings to see if it's worth using CGI to make them look Asian, and being genuinely clueless about how horrible that is.
So you're coming at it from the wrong angle. It is absolutely not about "the movies should do what the TV shows do." That's a staggeringly disingenuous way of looking at it. It's about the genuine importance of what it represents to have a character like Iris West as a person of color, and what it would imply if that decision were reversed by an industry that already has a poor track record. You'll never understand as long as you consider only your perspective as a comics fan and don't stop to imagine what it looks like from a different perspective, with different priorities. The only way we can really relate to each other as a society is if we make the effort to listen to and imagine each other's point of view rather than just letting "Well, this is what I think" drown out what the people around us are saying.
And it's not as if there isn't precedent for a character's ethnicity change in one incarnation being respected by other incarnations. The Ultimate Marvel comics made Nick Fury black, and every live-action and screen adaptation from 2008 onward has done the same. Justice League cast a black actor as J'onn J'onnz, and both subsequent live-action versions of the character and several animated versions have followed suit.
Honestly, I'd be all for a more traditional Iris in the movie. I'm fine with the change on the tV show, but I don't want the character to be changed for all time because of it. Its like how Idris Elba is cool as Heimdall, but the comic's version is also cool. Or how the comic's attempt to replace original Nick Fury with Nick Fury, jr was laughably lame and the character has just never worked very well, even though he looks like Samuel L. Jackson. Some changes work for some media, but shouldn't have to change everything else to match what worked in one particular adaptation.
I guess I'm so not bothered by the racial component of these kinds of situations that I forget it even is an issue for a lot of people.
Traditional iris means Barry's girlfriend/wife who is a reporter.