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How would a society with no money work?

It would be more creative to figure out how the Federation works without money rather than dismiss it out of hand as so many people seem to do.
Wouldn't it be even more creative to reconcile the statements of no money with the obvious use of money we see and hear of?

Figure out how they work together?
Why is it stated that their is no money on Earth?
When mention of no money was made, when did anyone specific Earth?
Most people who regularly travel probably have some currency from places they regularly go to lying around. They didn't exchange it back into their own currency, so it is essentially useless, until they travel again and take it with them.
No, currency retains it's value even if you move it to a different location. You can take any legal currency to a bank and convert it to local issue (although many small banks don't like to deal with coins owing to the bulk).
I said access to, not directly own
Okay, so how would that work? You don't personally own a replicator, but you do have access to one. So in the middle of the night you want some juice, you get dressed and walk a few blocks to the replicator you "have access to" and then walk home with your juice?
Particularly if money no longer exists (as stated in dialogue)
And as stated in dialog only Keiko's family has a replicator.
and transporters have rendered travel to anywhere in the world as easy as going out your front door.
And likely you (as a civilian) would have to pay to use a transporter.
The radiation on the Baku planet could not be replicated. It is already energy.
The radiation came from particles orbiting the planet. Within the narrative of the story, it's implied that the particles couldn not be manufactured/replicated.
Earth has its own planetary government, separate from the Federation, and it sends a representative to the Federation Council.
Perhaps. However it might be a situation like in the UK.

Scotland, Wales and North Ireland each have their own local governments as well as participating in the national government, but England is directly administered by the national govenment.

The president of the federation council was able to declare a state of emergency over Earth directly without going through Earth's local government. There's no indication he did so off screen.
 
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The president of the federation council was able to declare a state of emergency over Earth directly without going through Earth's local government. There's no indication he did so off screen.

Actually, there is. There was going to be a scene where Jaresh-Inyo "federalizes" local Earth forces but it got cut for time.

And besides, we've seen the existence of the United Earth government (in the ENT Vulcan arc). It didn't simply cease to exist when the Federation was formed, you know.
 
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Okay, so how would that work? You don't personally own a replicator, but you do have access to one. So in the middle of the night you want some juice, you get dressed and walk a few blocks to the replicator you "have access to" and then walk home with your juice?
Yes. Just like today if you happen to want juice in the middle of the night and don't have any, you need to go to find a store that is open.

As for the whole issue, I find moneyless society plausible enough. It would actually seem less plausible to me if they still had modern day capitalism centuries from now. Concept of 'everybody needs to work' will be dead in few decades anyway, thanks to advances in robotics. Future econonics will be radically different.
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-santens/humanity-needs-universal-_b_9599198.html

As humans drive forward into the future, they may just have their foot on the brakes and the accelerator at the same time. If so, is this in the best interests of humanity? Why not instead stop pressing the brakes by adopting basic income immediately, so as to fully accelerate into an increasingly automated future of increasing abundance and victory over scarcity? That seems to make a lot more sense than perpetuating — and even artificially creating — scarcity.
 
Fans have spent nearly four decades techno-babbling up Star Wars to fit what we see or are told to get around the as you say "Spaceships go Vroom! Pew! Pew! pew!" so what is to stop Star Trek fan from spending time trying to eco-babble the Earth or Federation economy into something that functions without money by the late 23rd century, and improved to work even better by the 24th century. To get around the "economy goes Vroom! Pew! Pew! Pew! We don't need no steenking moneys!'

Seems only fair.

The problem is the fan attempts to technobabble up economic explanations fall about as flat as the classically awful technobabble of Star Trek medical episodes. For much the same reason. The writers were writing future technobabble about an area that they clearly had no real working knowledge of, beyond what they had seen on another tv drama. That's the strange thing about Trek. They often had science consultants, even occasionally people from NASA to help them flesh out how things would work or need to work with regards to the ships and technology. And it worked perfectly within the narrow confines of their living and working in space viewpoint.

But it often fell apart rapidly when they touched on other areas of life. What the impact of various tech would be? Typically because the writers and creators had limited intimate knowledge of those. Anyone who has any background in actual medicine laughs at Star Treks medical episodes because of how absurd they are. Above and beyond the Deus ex machina technology. They loop around and contradict themselves and actual biology so horribly at times that there is no way to logic up a technobabble explanation that works.

The Star Trek economy is similarly flawed. As others point out they say one thing but actually present another, without the writers or production staff ever realizing it. Gene Rodenberry was particularly horrible for this. It is clear his actual economic education and knowledge was slightly lower than that of a geriatric poodle. (Or slightly above average for Hollywood. Call him a 4.5 on the Kardashian scale.)

See here's where Gene's futuristic "we have no need of money" falls apart. We see property in Star Trek. We see it all over the place. Personal Property. Land ownership. Trade rights. Borders. Mining Rights and materials. We see it everywhere. Heck in early DS9, years before Jake and Nog's classic discussion on money in the Federation (where Ron Moore subversively skewered Gene's moneyless Utopia) we find Jake, the no money Federation communist if you will, teaching Nog to invest in land on Bajor with their surplus trading windfall, as he had been taught by his father and grandfather that land was a good long term investment that holds value. The Piccard family winery was property. Kirk's Iowa farm. Property. The various gifts and antiques and antiquities exchanged on screen. Property.

Property = Money, Money = Property. Currency is simply a common unit for the valuation and exchange of property, goods and services. It doesn't matter if you tie it to a gold or Latinum standard. It does not matter if you call it capitalism, communism, whatever. At some level that exchange must be happening.

Clearly the main takeaway from Star Trek is in the Federation the near infinite energy resources have so lowered the requirements or costs needed to obtain the basics of life. Food, shelter, basic transport and communication, so as to make them nearly invisible to the consumer. So what we consider to be a struggle for existence poverty is pretty much eliminated.(much as it honestly has been in the Western World. We have sadly so redefined poverty to now mean "not as many consumer goods as someone else.")

Here is perhaps the biggest examples of how we know there is in fact a working economy in the Federation, in spite of what Picard says.
1. Hardcore Fenton Mudd - pay attention to Mudd in his various appearances. Criminal though he be. He illustrates more of the realities of Federation life than I think Gene intended. Similarly watch Cyrano Jones and to a far lesser degree Okona.
2. Mining Contracts and Trade - I started poking through the episodes of TOS and TNG looking for examples of economic activity and commerce. I really wasn't expecting what I found. (I didn't bother with DS9 or Voyager for this as DS9 was clearly showing a broad spectrum of such activity from the word go, and Voyager was by definition cut off from their home economy and forced to scavenge and trade.) in actually looking at the full range of episodes I think we may have some flawed misconceptions about what the Enterprises actual role was. Particularly Kirk's mission. We think it was "exploration", but when you look at the shows in a broader way it suddenly jumps out how much of the mission was securing mining rights and trade agreements. Settling trade disputes. Haggling for and acquiring resources for the Federation. I'm not going to lay them all out here. I'm just saying go look for them. Once you do it leaps out at you. It really is all about the Dilithium.
3. The Apple - when looking through episode lists for point 2, I stumbled across this fairly early classic one. I ended up rewatching it with an eye towards this discussion. Kirk actually discovers a society that is essentially the Utopia that Picard later describes the Federation to be. The natives are ruled by Vaal, essentially a giant replicator. They feed energy into the machine. The machine tends to all their needs. The people are clueless happy morons that have lost even the will and knowledge to procreate. Needless to say Kirk destroys their Utopia. It's a rather shocking contrast to some of the later TNG ideas.
 
I would say that a cashless society, that is, one without paper money and coins, will happen within the lifetimes of many people here. That's a first step in the direction of a money free society. I won't go any further, as I don't wish thus comment to turn into a political conversation.
 
I would say that a cashless society, that is, one without paper money and coins, will happen within the lifetimes of many people here. That's a first step in the direction of a money free society. I won't go any further, as I don't wish thus comment to turn into a political conversation.
I believe in the UK most transactions are done via debit/credit card or even mobile phones. As for a 'money free' society , which some say the TOS era is, without replicators (which the TOS era does not have) I don't think anyone has explained how that would work.
 
I believe in the UK most transactions are done via debit/credit card or even mobile phones. As for a 'money free' society , which some say the TOS era is, without replicators (which the TOS era does not have) I don't think anyone has explained how that would work.
I don't think replicators are strictly needed, but they really make the thing work better. I think the transition to moneyless society was a gradual process and was yet really not complete at TOS era. I think at TOS era they might have had an ample basic income, and by TNG era they've just done away with money altogether, at least when it comes to common basic necessities.
 
I believe in the UK most transactions are done via debit/credit card or even mobile phones. As for a 'money free' society , which some say the TOS era is, without replicators (which the TOS era does not have) I don't think anyone has explained how that would work.
Yes, the same is true in the US, but I'm referring to the coming time when no new paper money, nor coins will be made and will ni longer be accepted as legal tender. There are already places that refuse cash payments.
 
Yes, the same is true in the US, but I'm referring to the coming time when no new paper money, nor coins will be made and will ni longer be accepted as legal tender. There are already places that refuse cash payments.

And in the UK there are may places that refuse cheques, it is interesting that cheques are still big in the USA.
 
I believe in the UK most transactions are done via debit/credit card or even mobile phones. As for a 'money free' society , which some say the TOS era is, without replicators (which the TOS era does not have) I don't think anyone has explained how that would work.

There certainly are more people looking to make their fortune in that era, but primitive replicators seem to be implied in dialogue, and replicators by any other name are shown in TAS. We take a step back for Nick Meyer in the movies of course.
 
I think people are confusing a "Cashless society" with a "moneyless" one. One is where the unit of exchange need not be carried personally, but is instead managed remotely between parties. The other is where there is no unit of exchange.

Star Trek most certainly is a cashless society. Highlighted by Spock's befuddlement at "exact change" being needed. But never in any of the TOS moments does there seem to be any lack of understanding about the need to pay for things. Merely the mechanism for doing so.

In TNG they attempted to ramrod through the elimination of the need for payment. A transaction less society. But quite honestly they did so poorly and hamhandedly.

In DS9 they backed off this quite a bit and showcased several economies. At the end of the day almost everything in DS9 in some way reflected economics and economic transactions. DS9 was a place of commerce after all.

Voyager was quite fascinating, although I don't think they planned or intended it. Absent the unlimited resources and energy of Starfleet, the ship quickly develops its own internal economics, complete with clear unit of negotiable currency. Replicator Rations. It does this without planning or prompting or order from Janeway. It simply happens. I'm not sure that the writers planned this, or even realized it was hapenening, beyond the simple thoughts of how life on this ship would be. But it is fascinating that within weeks of being cutoff from the Federation a cash economy organically springs up. (Followed immediately by a fast talking con man seeking to profit.)
 
I think people are confusing a "Cashless society" with a "moneyless" one. One is where the unit of exchange need not be carried personally, but is instead managed remotely between parties. The other is where there is no unit of exchange.

Star Trek most certainly is a cashless society. Highlighted by Spock's befuddlement at "exact change" being needed. But never in any of the TOS moments does there seem to be any lack of understanding about the need to pay for things. Merely the mechanism for doing so.

In TNG they attempted to ramrod through the elimination of the need for payment. A transaction less society. But quite honestly they did so poorly and hamhandedly.

In DS9 they backed off this quite a bit and showcased several economies. At the end of the day almost everything in DS9 in some way reflected economics and economic transactions. DS9 was a place of commerce after all.

Voyager was quite fascinating, although I don't think they planned or intended it. Absent the unlimited resources and energy of Starfleet, the ship quickly develops its own internal economics, complete with clear unit of negotiable currency. Replicator Rations. It does this without planning or prompting or order from Janeway. It simply happens. I'm not sure that the writers planned this, or even realized it was hapenening, beyond the simple thoughts of how life on this ship would be. But it is fascinating that within weeks of being cutoff from the Federation a cash economy organically springs up. (Followed immediately by a fast talking con man seeking to profit.)

That's probably how Tom Paris ended up in French bars in the first place.....following his calling to grift....
 
Also...should we start wondering if Neelix started a Tuck Shop?

Of course, certain resources were suddenly scarce on Voyager again.
 
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