Why do people die in Star Trek?

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  1. JWPlatt

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    So why have children? It's obvious why it matters if dreams are carried out even if you're not there. Cue Dr. Soong's speech to Data in Brothers.



    It's astonishingly obvious that "net" was simply a typo of "not."
     
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  2. Longinus

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    True, true.

    Nevertheless, people tend to be rather attached to the continuation of their subjective experience. I'd claim that is the main reason of fear of death, not that your dreams are not carried out (although that certainly has some part in it too.)
    It's corrected now.
     
  3. Tomalak

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    I guess it depends how efficient the process is - replicating parts on that scale could be hugely energy intensive. Labour-intensive mining operations still exist in the 24th century, even for the technologically advanced Federation. It might just be easier to mine ore, melt it down and cast the hull plates ready for use. That was Terok Nor's job! Plus everyone got very excited about the Particle Fountain in Quality of Life, as it promised to revolutionise mining operations. Clearly there was still a massive need for extracting stuff from the ground.
     
  4. JWPlatt

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    No, subatomic/quantum. Molecules (made of more than one atom) converted to energy would be utterly destructive due to the huge loss of state resolution contained in the fundamental (subatomic) quantum wave functions of various "particles" within each atom.
     
  5. Kemaiku

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    Dilithium still needs to be, as is the material antimatter is converted from, so yes those being essential to warp drive I could be large scale mining being a thing. But metal casting after the fact, maybe not so much.

    And Terok Nor is a Cardassian station, they're repeatidly shown as being behind several other Alpha Quandrant powers for their quality of design and technology.
     
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  6. PhaserLightShow

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    Thanks for the support.

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  7. Nerys Myk

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    Do you believe in Katras?
     
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    I have a tough time believing people who don't think, on some level, that we're more than the sum of our parts.
     
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  11. PhaserLightShow

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    Why?

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  12. BillJ

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    I don't know? Personal built in bias? I don't believe in God, or heaven or any of that stuff. By the same token, I do believe there's something more to use than we can explain. That there is something to us that will survive this existence.
     
  13. The Wormhole

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    To be honest, I just remember it's something everyone usually brings up whenever there's a discussion criticising TNG's first season. Regardless, Roddenberry definitely did take issue with The Bonding, so there's that on the matter.
     
  14. PhaserLightShow

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    I don't believe that humans have any one use. I believe their only use is what they do.
    And, @Nerys Myk, Katras do make me sad. For reasons I cannot explain.

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  15. fireproof78

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    Here's a quote from Piller's book describe a meeting with Gene.

    Source: Fade In by Michael Piller.
     
  16. Tomalak

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    And didn't Rick tell him to ignore Gene and write the script?
     
  17. Longinus

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    Gene didn't like the idea that the kid would grieve to the extend that he would recreate his mother on the holodeck. They changed it to the alien and Gene was OK with that.
     
  18. Kemaiku

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    That does not mean immediately leaping to a supernatural conclusion, you can be more than the sum of the molecules that create you without invoking mysticism.
     
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  19. PhaserLightShow

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    I think you and I are only our particles. That is my point.

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  20. JWPlatt

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    Statements like that deserve to use the most fundamental constituents possible. It's not molecules. And not atoms either. At the moment, we might need to disregard any sort of real particle and just go with probabilistic wave functions. If you really need particles to hang on to your false sense of non-reality: quarks and gluons (for now).
     
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