DC Comics - Ongoing Discussion - SPOILERS

[kirk55555]

Yeah, I was mostly talking about story content. The price sucks, but I get it. They probably couldn't sell individual books with these characters with how they run DC Comics right now, so its nice they're trying something to publish a different book, even if its nowhere near ideal and probably won't last past the first story arcs because of the steep price.

Nah, DC is run by idiots. So it can't be good.

DC is run by idiots, but it hires decent writers at times, and when the horrible editors let the writers do their thing without too much meddling, even DC can have a decent book or two. Doesn't mean the people in charge aren't idiots (and when you're talking about Bob Harras and Dan Didio, you're talking idiots of the highest caliber). Between their weird attitudes toward characters and the legitimately horrible ways they've treated so many good writers over the past few years, I see very few people defending DC Comic's people in charge. DC can publish a few decent books among all the horrible stuff, but its despite Didio and Harras.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yeah, I was mostly talking about story content. The price sucks, but I get it. They probably couldn't sell individual books with these characters with how they run DC Comics right now, so its nice they're trying something to publish a different book, even if its nowhere near ideal and probably won't last past the first story arcs because of the steep price.



DC is run by idiots, but it hires decent writers at times, and when the horrible editors let the writers do their thing without too much meddling, even DC can have a decent book or two. Doesn't mean the people in charge aren't idiots (and when you're talking about Bob Harras and Dan Didio, you're talking idiots of the highest caliber). Between their weird attitudes toward characters and the legitimately horrible ways they've treated so many good writers over the past few years, I see very few people defending DC Comic's people in charge. DC can publish a few decent books among all the horrible stuff, but its despite Didio and Harras.

Impossible. There is no way that's true.

 

[Mr Light]

Two days to Batman #50!!! The end of an era.

Do we know who's taking over the flagship title after the re-reboot? And how could anyone ever live up to Snyder/Capullo???

 

[kirk55555]

Aren't they going until issue #52, then changing stuff up? I mean, I heard that #50 would end a lot of the story arcs, but I thought any creative team changes was after 52. As for who could live up to Snyder/Capullo, I'd say probably 90% of the people who wrote/drew Batman before them

I don't know what high profile writers are left that DC hasn't burned bridges with and would want to write Batman when/if the book needs a new team. Maybe Geoff Johns? I can't see DC giving the book to someone like, say, Charles Soule. Whoever they choose will have to be a decently well known name to write one of DC's biggest characters, and someone who is probably DC exclusive, at least for right now. Besides Johns, I'm drawing a blank.

 

[Saga]

Aren't they going until issue #52, then changing stuff up? I mean, I heard that #50 would end a lot of the story arcs, but I thought any creative team changes was after 52. As for who could live up to Snyder/Capullo, I'd say probably 90% of the people who wrote/drew Batman before them

I don't know what high profile writers are left that DC hasn't burned bridges with and would want to write Batman when/if the book needs a new team. Maybe Geoff Johns? I can't see DC giving the book to someone like, say, Charles Soule. Whoever they choose will have to be a decently well known name to write one of DC's biggest characters, and someone who is probably DC exclusive, at least for right now. Besides Johns, I'm drawing a blank.

well, it won't be Soule anyway. he is Marvel exclusive now.

 

[Nerys Myk]

DC seems to be about developing writers. Snyder has had a hand in that. Some of his protegees are moving up.

 

[kirk55555]

DC seems to be about developing writers. Snyder has had a hand in that. Some of his protegees are moving up.

Ugh, nepotism. I hadn't thought of that. They should do a clean break, and let someone with a different take on Batman get the character. Any friend/protegee of Snyder would probably just follow Snyder's vision for the character. At this point, I'd settle for the Finchs if it meant someone with a different creative vision for Batman getting the book. I really miss reading Batman books, and would like a chance to get a jumping on point with a writer that has ideas for Batman I don't absolutely loathe. Plus, just shaking up the character with a clean creative slate seems like something that would help sales and get more people interested again.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Ugh, nepotism. I hadn't thought of that. They should do a clean break, and let someone with a different take on Batman get the character. Any friend/protegee of Snyder would probably just follow Snyder's vision for the character. At this point, I'd settle for the Finchs if it meant someone with a different creative vision for Batman getting the book. I really miss reading Batman books, and would like a chance to get a jumping on point with a writer that has ideas for Batman I don't absolutely loathe. Plus, just shaking up the character with a clean creative slate seems like something that would help sales and get more people interested again.

Again with the mind reading. You've no actual idea what a writer "trained" by Snyder will do with Batman.

 

[kirk55555]

Again with the mind reading. You've no actual idea what a writer "trained" by Snyder will do with Batman.

Someone trained by Snyder (which is weird to think about, you don't hear of Marvel writers training people, but I guess since Marvel doesn't generally screw over its experienced writers nowadays they don't need to get new people who will take more crap from bad leadership) is going to have similar work to Snyder. If someone needs training in comic writing (which is bad, because I can think of no good comic writer who needed another comic writer to train them enough that they'd become associated with each other), they're probably going to share ideas and style with their trainer. You wouldn't get a Mark Waid from Rob Liefeld's training, for example.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Someone trained by Snyder (which is weird to think about, you don't hear of Marvel writers training people, but I guess since Marvel doesn't generally screw over its experienced writers nowadays they don't need to get new people who will take more crap from bad leadership) is going to have similar work to Snyder. If someone needs training in comic writing (which is bad, because I can think of no good comic writer who needed another comic writer to train them enough that they'd become associated with each other), they're probably going to share ideas and style with their trainer. You wouldn't get a Mark Waid from Rob Liefeld's training, for example.

I think you've no idea how writers develop. There is all sorts of mentoring that goes on. Few writers show up fully ready to take on a monthly book. They are developed by editors and other writers. And more than a few writers have gotten gigs from having connections with other writers or editors already on staff at DC or Marvel. A lot of the writers at Marvel right now are people I've never heard of. I assume they came from somewhere

 

[kirk55555]

They are developed by editors and other writers.

Well, if the editors are developing writers at DC, they're screwed. The editors at DC are basically writers already if you read some of the stories told by writers DC has screwed over during the Harras/Didio reign, and by all accounts they aren't very good ones.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Well, if the editors are developing writers at DC, they're screwed. The editors at DC are basically writers already if you read some of the stories told by writers DC has screwed over during the Harras/Didio reign, and by all accounts they aren't very good ones.

You just can't resist can you?

 

[Mike Farley]

Snyder's still moving over to Detective Comics, right (presumably after DC's relaunch and 'Tec's return to its original numbering)?

 

[kirk55555]

You just can't resist can you?

The stories of editorial problems at DC come directly from the writers. Off the top of my head, George Perez and the New 52 Static Shock writer had some pretty bad stories to tell (especially the Static Shock writer, who basically had to deal with the editor taking over the book and running it into the ground). Gail Simone also had public problems with them, and the original Batwoman creative team were screwed over by Didio and the editors. Those are just the ones that come to mind immediately. So, yeah, when it comes to DC's leadership, I'm not making stuff up, there is a lot of evidence from a lot of people that the people in charge suck, or at least a good amount of them.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The stories of editorial problems at DC come directly from the writers. Off the top of my head, George Perez and the New 52 Static Shock writer had some pretty bad stories to tell (especially the Static Shock writer, who basically had to deal with the editor taking over the book and running it into the ground). Gail Simone also had public problems with them, and the original Batwoman creative team were screwed over by Didio and the editors. Those are just the ones that come to mind immediately. So, yeah, when it comes to DC's leadership, I'm not making stuff up, there is a lot of evidence from a lot of people that the people in charge suck, or at least a good amount of them.

Not the point.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Snyder's still moving over to Detective Comics, right (presumably after DC's relaunch and 'Tec's return to its original numbering)?

He doesn't want to do a twice monthly. He'll be doing a monthly starring Batman but not one of the main Batbooks.

 

[kirk55555]

Not the point.

It seemed like the point to me. You can't say I'm making stuff up, or don't have evidence of DC leadership sucking

If you were talking about me taking a shot at DC, I don't feel bad about that. They suck, and I'll take a shot at them whenever I have the opportunity. They deserve all the scorn I can give them.

He doesn't want to do a twice monthly. He'll be doing a monthly starring Batman but not one of the main Batbooks.

So he's not really leaving after all, he's still the Batman writer. Ugh, I got my hopes up too soon. At this rate, Snyder will only be off Batman when he gets too old to type or dictate stories.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It seemed like the point to me. You can't say I'm making stuff up, or don't have evidence of DC leadership sucking

Where did I say that?

 

[kirk55555]

Where did I say that?

Just a general vibe I got, based on your posts (admittedly not all in this thread). I figured you were defending the DC people in charge because I'd insulted them, since that or just me taking shots at DC are the only reasons I could think of for your replies to my posts when I was replying to your posts.

 

[JD]

I think you've no idea how writers develop. There is all sorts of mentoring that goes on. Few writers show up fully ready to take on a monthly book. They are developed by editors and other writers. And more than a few writers have gotten gigs from having connections with other writers or editors already on staff at DC or Marvel. A lot of the writers at Marvel right now are people I've never heard of. I assume they came from somewhere

Exactly. Just because someone worked with Snyder doesn't mean they are going to write exactly what he wrote. He might be helping them out with the technical points of writing, but doesn't mean he's going to have any impact on the creative side.
I do agree that DC has pulled some pretty shitty stuff on the personal and business sides of things, but that doesn't mean that everything they release is going to be bad. And just because they screwed over and scared off some of their big names doesn't mean they couldn't find some new talented up and comers.
They seem to be working on trying to repair some of the damage they did with their earlier actions, so I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt here.