Yeah, yeah... guys aren't responsible for their own choices, it's those darned harpies twisting their emotions.
James, and others it appears, need to man the fuck up.
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Yeah, yeah... guys aren't responsible for their own choices, it's those darned harpies twisting their emotions.
James, and others it appears, need to man the fuck up.
Even more aggravating is that James has been Superman's pal for years now. And as far as we can tell (from what the show has offered), Lucy never had problems with him working with Supes, placed constraints on how James dealt with him (covering up for him, investigating cases and winding up needing rescusing), nor has she acted weirdly while he protected his relationship with his friend. If she ever had problems with dating Superman's best friend, it would have come up in their conversations, reasons for breaking up in the first place...
Now Supergirl arrives, everyone knows she's Supe's cousin, and now Lucy begins treating James in a manner that's different than she did with Superman. Her different reactions to a situation no different than what was going on during their first go round, is the ultimate source of the conflict between the couple. Sure, James could have handled things better, but you can sympatize with him for this is new territory for him to be in, and his fumbling is due to not knowing the perfect possible way to allay the (uncharacteristic) insecurity he's sensing from Lucy.
She totally had a problem with Superman.
It's why they broke up.
Jimmy seemed to make a grand gesture by getting rid of his problem: Superman.
Imagine if your spouse had a friend who took them out every night to fight supercrime, dodging radioactive laser beams, almost getting stepped on by giant gorillas/robots or be thrown at other cities.
Was he addicted to the thrill of almost dying, or the pride of saving the city?
Either way it boiled down to a superfetish that Lucy couldn't compete with. No, if Lucy dressed up as Superman for naughty time, Jimmy would just realize that he wants to bone Superman. Even if he bones Supergirl, that also is just a substitute for wanting to bone Superman. Supergirl is an intermediary step to supergay.
It's why they broke up.
Jimmy seemed to make a grand gesture by getting rid of his problem: Superman.
Imagine if your spouse had a friend who took them out every night to fight supercrime, dodging radioactive laser beams, almost getting stepped on by giant gorillas/robots or be thrown at other cities.
Was he addicted to the thrill of almost dying, or the pride of saving the city?
Either way it boiled down to a superfetish that Lucy couldn't compete with. No, if Lucy dressed up as Superman for naughty time, Jimmy would just realize that he wants to bone Superman. Even if he bones Supergirl, that also is just a substitute for wanting to bone Superman. Supergirl is an intermediary step to supergay.
Umm, that is the reason they broke up in the first place. As Lucy explained to Kara in "How Does She Do It?", she broke up with James because she felt he kept choosing Superman over her, so she pre-emptively walked away. And that's what drove James to leave Metropolis and come to National City. So Lucy always saw Superman as her competition for James. Her reaction to Supergirl is essentially the same, but with an added layer of sexual rivalry. As she put it, "And this hero wears a skirt. How am I ever going to compete with her?"
Oh, so women are not capable of being self-serving and manipulative?
He left Metropolis to start a new life--in the wake of Lucy dumping him. Then, she stalks him to his new life to continue the controlling tactics, only to become unreasonably jealous when he has interests (including basic friendship) having nothing to do with her.
Immature in the extreme and manipulative.
..or stop getting involved with self-serving women. He did deserve her greedy theatrics.
..or stop getting involved with self-serving women. He did deserve her greedy theatrics.[/QUOTE]
Your second part of the post is the point I was making. Lucy's behaviour is a problem, but James fucking enabled it. There's an old saying about the tango...
He KNEW he had feelings for Kara. He knew, very shortly after Lucy came back, that Kara had feelings for him. And yet he CHOSE to take Lucy off for a romantic vacation. Emotional manipulation is not much of an excuse when we are talking about adults. Common decency requires he at least let Lucy know he is in a tough spot, rather than keep her on the hook.
Thank you. I have no memory of that conversation.
So she walks into virtually the same situation, and expected him to change his ways. And he didn't. Has she made the effort to alter her stance, to give him some leeway, understand his desire to be involved with assisting a superhero defending truth, justice and the American way?
Again, you're misremembering. Keep in mind that she was surprised two weeks ago when she learned that James had been working closely enough with Supergirl that she'd told him about the DEO. She'd been aware that Supergirl had been around, but she hadn't known just how closely associated they were. And a week after she found that out, she broke up with him.
James is 35.
No one allowing themselves to be called Supergirl would be over 20.
Jimmy was unlikely to be the Professor X/Robin the Boy Wonder for a tiny child.
Tiny child not so tiny.
Lucy didn't know that James was sent to National City to specifically look after Kara.
It's even possible that Lucy didn't know that Supergirl existed until she arrived in National City.
She told him "it's Superman or me".
He got dumped, and then he dumped Superman.
Dumping The Man of Steel as your best bro is a huge gesture, which is never too little or too late, Even if it took him weeks to do it, but "his friends" was the only reason that Jim was undatable.
Remember all your friends before your wife got rid of them, of their wives got rid of you?
(To women, that's a compliment, you're powerful like Darkseid. Rejoice!)
No one allowing themselves to be called Supergirl would be over 20.
Jimmy was unlikely to be the Professor X/Robin the Boy Wonder for a tiny child.
Tiny child not so tiny.
Lucy didn't know that James was sent to National City to specifically look after Kara.
It's even possible that Lucy didn't know that Supergirl existed until she arrived in National City.
She told him "it's Superman or me".
He got dumped, and then he dumped Superman.
Dumping The Man of Steel as your best bro is a huge gesture, which is never too little or too late, Even if it took him weeks to do it, but "his friends" was the only reason that Jim was undatable.
Remember all your friends before your wife got rid of them, of their wives got rid of you?
(To women, that's a compliment, you're powerful like Darkseid. Rejoice!)
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There's no "two to tango" when one side was being manipulated. It would be a far different situation if he was not on the receiving end of a break-up, but he was vulnerable to a predatory Lucy.
...and at the time Lucy arrived.....
...he was not in love with Kara, and certainly had not acted on any feelings. He is innocent.
She should have been decent in not stalking a man she dumped.
Lucy arrived and instantly said "I want you back!"
Explain where the subtle connivingness lays therein?
She didn't manipulate shit.
"You were my best customer, and then I was closed for business, but I'm open again, so do you want the full service?"
The only way that she was manipulating him was by still being awesome and beautiful.
Lets think about what James was doing.
After recommitting to Lucy, he was imagining Kara's face on Lucy's body, while having sex with Lucy, resisting the urge not to scream "Supergirl!" at the point of climax.
The only reason that Jimmy is not jerk for doing that, is that half the men and women in the city are also superimposing Supergirl's face over their lover too.
If Kara had worked out her Supersniffing, she would know what every person in her close quarters had had for breakfast that morning, and when (and with whom) everybugger in her proximity had recently boffed.
Kara: "James, you've had sex with Lucy 42 times since she got back, how does that convey your love for me?"
Explain where the subtle connivingness lays therein?
She didn't manipulate shit.
"You were my best customer, and then I was closed for business, but I'm open again, so do you want the full service?"
The only way that she was manipulating him was by still being awesome and beautiful.
Lets think about what James was doing.
After recommitting to Lucy, he was imagining Kara's face on Lucy's body, while having sex with Lucy, resisting the urge not to scream "Supergirl!" at the point of climax.
The only reason that Jimmy is not jerk for doing that, is that half the men and women in the city are also superimposing Supergirl's face over their lover too.
If Kara had worked out her Supersniffing, she would know what every person in her close quarters had had for breakfast that morning, and when (and with whom) everybugger in her proximity had recently boffed.
Kara: "James, you've had sex with Lucy 42 times since she got back, how does that convey your love for me?"
Right, I can see I'm dealing with a borderline Mens Rights Activist here, rather than an adult. But I will say that having regrets and trying to pick up a relationship is not stalking. And also that, at the point where James agreed to take her on that little trip to the glades, he DID know about Kara's feelings, and returned them - that was post her power outage where the clinch occurred AND she got her powers back as a direct result of her concern for him. At that point, he owed it to all parties to shut either Kara or Lucy down, and didn't.
This "predatory" crap makes men out to be nothing more than a collection of horndogs slaved to the whims of their balls and whatever noose a woman has cast around them. You may explain your life problems that way, but most guys have a say in the matter - emotions are difficult, yes, but most of us can put 'em aside and do the decent fucking thing rather than going along with it and bitching about how we were manipulated by the evil, self-serving wimmen. Or, if we can't, we at least own the mistake.
This "predatory" crap makes men out to be nothing more than a collection of horndogs slaved to the whims of their balls and whatever noose a woman has cast around them. You may explain your life problems that way, but most guys have a say in the matter - emotions are difficult, yes, but most of us can put 'em aside and do the decent fucking thing rather than going along with it and bitching about how we were manipulated by the evil, self-serving wimmen. Or, if we can't, we at least own the mistake.
Damn, Guy said it much better. Must ask Batman to give him brain damage again.
If you put it that way, Lucy kinda reminds me of Patty from The Flash. Likeable character who was really only used by the main characters rather than "respected". I like Flash, but how they used Patty this season turned really disappointing and that may have happened with Lucy and I didn't realize it.
Lucy is going to one or both of these conversations in the coming episodes.
1. "Kara, don't trust him, he's really in love with Supergirl".
2. "Supergirl, Don't trust him, he's really in love with Kara".
If she has both of these conversations to cockblock Jim, then Lane Jr is a manipulative genius... Of course that would only happen if she doesn't know that Supergirl and Kara are the same person.
Oh?
When Cat asked James "how close did we come (to being nuked)?" was she dropping the mock compartmentalism that half her staff is Team Supergirl?
There is NO WAY that that valuable office space which they use for a clubhouse is just floating like that?
1. "Kara, don't trust him, he's really in love with Supergirl".
2. "Supergirl, Don't trust him, he's really in love with Kara".
If she has both of these conversations to cockblock Jim, then Lane Jr is a manipulative genius... Of course that would only happen if she doesn't know that Supergirl and Kara are the same person.
Oh?
When Cat asked James "how close did we come (to being nuked)?" was she dropping the mock compartmentalism that half her staff is Team Supergirl?
There is NO WAY that that valuable office space which they use for a clubhouse is just floating like that?
The only one making an adult assessment is not the TrekBBS mouthpiece for NOW, who sees all men as the source of universal evil, while women bear no responsibility for their actions.
Bullshit; she hurt James, and he left his entire home/reality to start a new life. He was in an emotionally compromised state, and she tracked him down all for round 2 of a drama of her own making. She zeroed in on his vulnerability and pulled strings constantly, whether it was about James himself, the DEO, Kara or Supergirl.
Some would say she's the embodiment of baggage. She's more than baggage, but an emotional straitjacket on James, chained to an engine block set to be kicked in the ocean.
You completely misunderstand what "predatory" means regarding Lucy's actions. Now, you can stop trying to dream up wafer-thin excuses for the character.
Okay...the missile scene sucked / was great / was not technically accurate / Supergirl was irresponsible dumping it so close to the city / she's just like Superman / yeah!
I'll take it!Okay...the missile scene sucked / was great / was not technically accurate / Supergirl was irresponsible dumping it so close to the city / she's just like Superman / yeah!
Without a kyptonite condom his winkle can't peek through her curtains.