The Enterprise NX-01 appreciation thread

[BillJ]

I thought it was a nice "next step" to the NCC 1701. Even Doug Drexler once hypothesized the the NX eventually becomes the 1701 through various refits.

Why must the universe be so inbred?

 

[Saul]

Because it's cool.

 

[BillJ]

Because it's cool.

I don't find small universe syndrome cool, at all. YMMV.

 

[Saul]

I don't find small universe syndrome cool, at all. YMMV.

I like the idea because it adds a greater depth of history to the ship, makes it more generational and fixes some continuity.
If you can appreciate an Akiraprise design and the same old Trek stories, music and shooting style that Enterprise had then it's not all that different from small universe syndrome. Frankly, anything with a saucer and two nacelles in the 22nd century is small universe syndrome. Heck, calling it Enterprise should be small universe syndrome enough for you.

 

[BillJ]

I like the idea because it adds a greater depth of history to the ship, makes it more generational and fixes some continuity.
If you can appreciate an Akiraprise design and the same old Trek stories, music and shooting style that Enterprise had then it's not all that different from small universe syndrome. Frankly, anything with a saucer and two nacelles in the 22nd century is small universe syndrome. Heck, calling it Enterprise should be small universe syndrome enough for you.

Sharing a name when it takes place more than a hundred years prior to another series doesn't make for small universe syndrome. Especially a name that is prominent in human history. Neither is using a basic design, that just makes it a consistent universe.

But saying one ship morphed from holding 80 to over 400 over the course of a century is non-sense. It smells of trying to make the NX-01 more important to fandom by physically (in universe) linking it to Kirk's Enterprise. Which it doesn't need as the NX-01 can stand on its own.

 

[Avro Arrow]

I like the idea because it adds a greater depth of history to the ship, makes it more generational and fixes some continuity.

What continuity does it fix?

(And I have to agree with BillJ... saying the NX-01 and the NCC-1701 were the same ship doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me.)

 

[topcat]

the design was ok. Seemed decent and all.

 

[TheSubCommander]

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[Griffeytrek]

The NX-01 has grown on me a great deal over time. I hated it at first. But I actually liked how it grew and what they did with it. I even love the refit design, as you can see the path towards the more modern traditional Star Trek aesthetic. That design was not so much a retread ie "see it looks like the Enterprise now!" it was meant to be a bit of visual storytelling, letting the viewer know that Starfleet and the Federation are evolving to their more familiar forms. So the ship gains its secondary engineering Hull in refit, and then likely right at the end of the series it would have gotten a new paintjob. Grey White over the metal with the new NCC-01 Registry.

 

[eyeresist]

I think I'd like the refit more if it wasn't quite so close to the TOS ship. How about if the secondary hull was attached to the rear array rather than the saucer?

 

[Griffeytrek]

I think I'd like the refit more if it wasn't quite so close to the TOS ship. How about if the secondary hull was attached to the rear array rather than the saucer?

It's actually attached at both points sort of. It attaches at the rear of the saucer and to the two booms.

My model of it almost finished.

Whats strange, and makes me believe Drexxler when he says that he always planned this evolution from the ground up, is the conversion kit that I used literally just fell into place. That short neck between the saucer and the new secondary hull. It perfectly matched up with existing features that seemed designed for it. There is a socket of sorts there on the saucer that seems intended to receive the lower hull.

 

[eyeresist]

Hey, that's a great looking model!

The refit looks to me to have replaced everything except the saucer. Rather than making the rear cross-bar a "V" to meet with the secondary hull, I would keep it in its original alignment, and connect the secondary hull to the centre of the bar via a neck that thrusts it forward into something like the classic position. So it would be more of a transitional form, whereas the refit seems to me too radical a change. I wish I had the graphic skills to demonstrate what I mean...

 

[BillJ]

The refit looks to me to have replaced everything except the saucer.

Nothing got replaced. The secondary hull is merely bolted on the underside.

 

[TheSubCommander]

Nothing got replaced. The secondary hull is merely bolted on the underside.

The only real change besides the bolt on parts was that they relocated this part to the secondary hull. But other than that, the NX-01 was unchanged, besides the secondary hull and extra support pylons.

Either way, original, or refit, I like the NX-01. Refit was unnecessary, but I always admired how it was designed.

 

[TheSubCommander]

I like the idea because it adds a greater depth of history to the ship, makes it more generational and fixes some continuity.
If you can appreciate an Akiraprise design and the same old Trek stories, music and shooting style that Enterprise had then it's not all that different from small universe syndrome. Frankly, anything with a saucer and two nacelles in the 22nd century is small universe syndrome. Heck, calling it Enterprise should be small universe syndrome enough for you.

To each their own, but I didn't like the idea of the NX-01 evolving to literally becoming NCC-1701. I think being a fore runner of NCC-1701 is enough of a connection. I like the idea of NX-01 and NCC-1701 being two separate and distinct ships.

 

[TheSubCommander]

 

[BillJ]

The belly to belly warp flight was great. And near impossible after the refit.

 

[Saul]

What continuity does it fix?

That Kirk's ship was the first Starfleet ship named Enterprise.

(And I have to agree with BillJ... saying the NX-01 and the NCC-1701 were the same ship doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me.)

But the movie Enterprise and TV Enterprise is ok? They are very different ships too when you look at them in detail.
What I think Doug was talking about was that through a lot of refits it would eventually become the future Enterprise.

Sharing a name when it takes place more than a hundred years prior to another series doesn't make for small universe syndrome. Especially a name that is prominent in human history. Neither is using a basic design, that just makes it a consistent universe.

Except the NX wasn't prominent in the 600 episodes and movies that take place after it.

But saying one ship morphed from holding 80 to over 400 over the course of a century is non-sense.

The crew compliment of the Constitution class jumped from 200 to 500 between when we first saw her in Pike's era and when we last saw her in TUDC.

 

[BillJ]

That Kirk's ship was the first Starfleet ship named Enterprise.

I don't see the issue there. One is from Earth Starfleet and the other from the Federation Starfleet. I doubt Earth Starfleet evaporated the day the accords were signed. For all we know, Earth Starfleet exists in the 23rd and 24th century as Earth's defensive force.

But the movie Enterprise and TV Enterprise is ok?

You have to squint your eyes, but it is more believable than a ship from the 2150's is somehow the same ship in the 2260's.

 

[Avro Arrow]

That Kirk's ship was the first Starfleet ship named Enterprise.

Kirk's ship was the first Federation Starfleet ship named Enterprise. Although they share a name, UFP Starfleet and UE Starfleet must be distinct organizations.

But the movie Enterprise and TV Enterprise is ok? They are very different ships too when you look at them in detail.
What I think Doug was talking about was that through a lot of refits it would eventually become the future Enterprise..

Well, the TOS Enterprise and the refit are a lot closer in size and layout than the NX-01 is to the TOS Enterprise. But I meant more along the lines of the "small universe" argument others mentioned upthread. It just seems to take something away from the 1701 if we say it is literally the hundred year-old NX-01 after many refits.

ETA: Oops, I guess I said basically the same things BillJ did. I guess I need to type faster!