Star Trek 2017 will not be set in the JJ-Verse
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Fortunately we know we're getting new characters (which fits with what Trekmovie said about Bryan Fuller wanting to do a series set on a different ship in the JJ-verse.)
This 3 year old article still doesn't hint as to what continuity this show will be set in. Peoples opinions change. And new characters could also mean, that next to McCoy, Spock and Kirk, new crew members are appearing as a regular. Like DS9 had characters reapearing over and over.
Sounds interesting on paper, but I can imagine it ending up like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - i.e. unable to actually do even 10% of what it could do with the source material, for fear of treading on the emerging continuity of the movies.
Nah, its probably better to (whatever the timeline), follow the tradition of giving the show the most room to maneuver as possible. Whether that's Fuller's nuTrek USS Reliant, or a oldTrek Enterprise-G out on the fringes.
I absolutely agree. A lot of things sound interesting on paper but, unfortunately, simply cannot sustain that concept.
The guy from CBS said that they want to take Star Trek back to its roots, Fuller in that same old article said that he would want to go with a TOS-style. I interpret that as meaning the same thing, which implies that his opinions haven't changed.
I suppose you could also interpret going back to its roots as meaning the Prime-universe, but given the other evidence I've cited, that seems highly unlikely.
I always took the insinuation to be that Khan had set up some kind of transport beacons or something... plus, he's Kahn. he's smart as hell. I don't think even JJ would push that planet to planet transport thing - he's notorious for not showing you all the BS involved in getting from Point A to Point B. like, if one minute someone were standing in New York then in the next shot they were in Paris, I'd just assume they'd taken a plane, not something impossible like flapping their arms and flying there (planet to planet transport) - I wouldn't need to see them actually get on a plane.
This doesn't make any sense.
Why would CBS revert back to a prime universe which hasn't been seen for more than a decade? The movies are hot right now; it would best to start a series in a fresh new universe, the JJTrek-verse, than to go back and pile back up on all of the continuity left over from the Berman trek.
A clean slate would be best, I know I'm not interested in watching the Berman verse timeline or Prime whatever-verse ever again. After Star Trek Enterprise I thing that universe should be put to rest.
The tribble comic begins with Scotty using subspace relays to beam a tribble all the way to Earth, and then ends with his research being confiscated by Starfleet. It's obvious this was to set up the scenes in the movie.
Also, since Scotty needed the relay stations to beam the tribble so far, it doesn't do away with starships otherwise there would be no way to get the stations out there.
How likely is it Meyers will shake up the JJverse instead of starting a new one or stay in the Prime universe?
At this point, I think it's all but a foregone conclusion the show will be in nuVerse. There are many reasons to do so and few not to.
Also, it doesn't really matter what Fuller said when. This whole endeavor just seems like something he's been conjuring for years. And the more I think about it, the more I believe he probably approached Kurtzman in the first place.
But the primary reason isn't one of canon or timelines or anything like that; it's so they can maintain a consistent design aesthetic across the franchise. Not only would this be a promotional advantage, but it would also be a lot more cost effective.
Look at TFF and TUC, save for a few cans of paint, the sets didn't look any different than those of TNG.
There will be some changes, of course, mostly likely in the costuming, but, overall, I don't think there'll be anything too radical.
As far as the "timeline" itself, it isn't as necessary to set it as far apart from the films as TNG was from TOS. The reasoning for setting TNG so far ahead really doesn't exist anymore. Abrams/nuTrek design team correctly gave up on trying to make it look "futuristic," instead favoring an almost postmodern design. The overall design is really a potpourri of design elements from the original to steampunk to elements of modern technology design. Many of the gizmos and devices almost seem anarchistic (for lack of a better term), in a way.
I think this was the right thing to do because look out antiquated some of the stuff in TOS--or even Enterprise--already looks.
Therefore, it isn't necessary to move "about a century" into the future. 20 or 25 years seems more appropriate. They can then reuse the sets and will allow the promotional material to have a constant aesthetic, yet there's still enough headroom for the film franchise to breathe and for Fuller to make any small changes he wants.
I also think they'll use the "Klingons" from STiD--that is Marcus's idea that a "war" is coming. It's no secret Fuller loves Klingons. I also think there was more to the axing of Axanar than face value.I was totally sold when I read Meyer's interview today, especially in regards to his comments about TUC.
I think the show is going to take place during a cold war between the Fed and the Klingons. The primary scope of the show will be the conflict of trying to maintain the exploration roots while Starfleet slowly becomes more militaristic, if not a true armed force.
This makes Meyer's involvement meta in a way. It also suggest his inclusion is because the action is to be more Mutara Nebula and less "Sacrifice of Angels."
It also makes the ~20 years difference more sense since such a conflict would be slow building.
Also, it doesn't really matter what Fuller said when. This whole endeavor just seems like something he's been conjuring for years. And the more I think about it, the more I believe he probably approached Kurtzman in the first place.
But the primary reason isn't one of canon or timelines or anything like that; it's so they can maintain a consistent design aesthetic across the franchise. Not only would this be a promotional advantage, but it would also be a lot more cost effective.
Look at TFF and TUC, save for a few cans of paint, the sets didn't look any different than those of TNG.
There will be some changes, of course, mostly likely in the costuming, but, overall, I don't think there'll be anything too radical.
As far as the "timeline" itself, it isn't as necessary to set it as far apart from the films as TNG was from TOS. The reasoning for setting TNG so far ahead really doesn't exist anymore. Abrams/nuTrek design team correctly gave up on trying to make it look "futuristic," instead favoring an almost postmodern design. The overall design is really a potpourri of design elements from the original to steampunk to elements of modern technology design. Many of the gizmos and devices almost seem anarchistic (for lack of a better term), in a way.
I think this was the right thing to do because look out antiquated some of the stuff in TOS--or even Enterprise--already looks.
Therefore, it isn't necessary to move "about a century" into the future. 20 or 25 years seems more appropriate. They can then reuse the sets and will allow the promotional material to have a constant aesthetic, yet there's still enough headroom for the film franchise to breathe and for Fuller to make any small changes he wants.
I also think they'll use the "Klingons" from STiD--that is Marcus's idea that a "war" is coming. It's no secret Fuller loves Klingons. I also think there was more to the axing of Axanar than face value.I was totally sold when I read Meyer's interview today, especially in regards to his comments about TUC.
I think the show is going to take place during a cold war between the Fed and the Klingons. The primary scope of the show will be the conflict of trying to maintain the exploration roots while Starfleet slowly becomes more militaristic, if not a true armed force.
This makes Meyer's involvement meta in a way. It also suggest his inclusion is because the action is to be more Mutara Nebula and less "Sacrifice of Angels."
It also makes the ~20 years difference more sense since such a conflict would be slow building.
Except that they can't--JJTrek and FullerTrek are being produced by different companies, and CBS has its own stages that have nothing to do with Paramount Pictures. The situation is very different than it was between 1987-1991.
Here's the Meyer interview:
http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/star-tre...-star-trek-series-is-innovative-and-different
Here are the key two paragraphs:
My thinking is this will not be a TNG-or-later show, or if it is it will be radically different to the version we know. It will be about relationships, not technology. Back to basics. More likely the period will be just before or after the TOS period, to keep that frontier feeling, and the antagonistic relationship with the Klingons.
My guess is they will want to avoid the temptation of holodeck episodes, so if there is some holographic tech it will be different to what we've seen so far on the show; probably augmented reality. Actually, I wish they had asked Meyer about his opinion on the holodeck - his response might have told us a lot.
The importance of TUC is interesting, and could probably be interpreted in many ways. My guess is that the destruction of Vulcan will be like the Praxis explosion in its effect. It will heighten political tensions, increasing the danger of war. It may also cause the surviving Vulcans to become more antagonistic than their traditional neutral stance.
http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/star-tre...-star-trek-series-is-innovative-and-different
Here are the key two paragraphs:
I think it’s going to be a different Star Trek. It will go in a different direction. And I think that is probably good. Because the thing that mainly troubles me about Star Trek is the fear of it being maybe re-treads of itself. And to the degree that I had any influence on the thing [Star Trek] at all was that, at least while I was there, we were fooling around. And if you’re not fooling around, then things can become stale. And I think that Bryan [Fuller]—who is a very clever fellow—has ideas—some of which I’ve heard—that are innovative and different. Different is what got me interested.
...The one thing I can relate to you is that The Undiscovered Country—according to Bryan [Fuller]—is a real sort of taking off point, or touchstone for how I guess he’s thinking about the direction of the new show. I don’t want to be misquoted and I don’t want to misquote him, but he’s fond of that film. Let’s put it that way.
My thinking is this will not be a TNG-or-later show, or if it is it will be radically different to the version we know. It will be about relationships, not technology. Back to basics. More likely the period will be just before or after the TOS period, to keep that frontier feeling, and the antagonistic relationship with the Klingons.
My guess is they will want to avoid the temptation of holodeck episodes, so if there is some holographic tech it will be different to what we've seen so far on the show; probably augmented reality. Actually, I wish they had asked Meyer about his opinion on the holodeck - his response might have told us a lot.
The importance of TUC is interesting, and could probably be interpreted in many ways. My guess is that the destruction of Vulcan will be like the Praxis explosion in its effect. It will heighten political tensions, increasing the danger of war. It may also cause the surviving Vulcans to become more antagonistic than their traditional neutral stance.
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For that matter they could do the same with the destruction of Romulus and trying to re-unify with Vulcan without Spock.
I guess that's right. But I don't know if Fuller and Meyer would want to move that far away from TOS.
From the interview:
What will be your new role in the writers’ room? Will you be writing individual episodes? Or larger story arcs?
If I’m lucky, I’ll get to write episodes. If I’m less lucky, I’ll just get to sit in that room with all those other clever people.
How big of a writers’ room do you think it’s going to be?
I don’t know!
If I’m lucky, I’ll get to write episodes. If I’m less lucky, I’ll just get to sit in that room with all those other clever people.
How big of a writers’ room do you think it’s going to be?
I don’t know!
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