I can genuinely understand how so many people who have been associated with Trek one way or another would like to be part of something not dominated by the studio. I would not discount that as being a motivation for some of the insider support for this project. I think the studio CAN stop this project AND have some continuing relationship with fan productions. All they have to do is make a point that this particular production is out of bounds. I mean, build an actual competing for profit studio facility with Trek IP? That is just off the deep end. Claiming that even though you *chose* to file as a for profit corporation, you are really a nonprofit operation? It shows an utter disregard for basic legal boundaries.
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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New poster. Been reading TREKBBS for years on and off to get my dose of Trek discussion even if I never chimed in (used to post here and there on TrekWeb back in the day) while using Trekmovie for news. Never one for BBS/Reddit style discussion, but this Axanar litigation though prompted me to sign up.
I've tried discussing it in a few other places, but found this thread to be the most level-headed.
Reading this thread from the beginning, on page 27 right now (thank you, lazy sunday).
Just want to say I've seen a lot of insightful commentary, thoughtful discussion, though i'll admit I wish there was someone arguing logically and rationally on Axanar's side so it wasn't so much everyone agreeing with each other. But I suppose that speaks to the wrongness of Axanar.
That said, so rare to find level-headed discussion on the internet!
I've tried discussing it in a few other places, but found this thread to be the most level-headed.
Reading this thread from the beginning, on page 27 right now (thank you, lazy sunday).
Just want to say I've seen a lot of insightful commentary, thoughtful discussion, though i'll admit I wish there was someone arguing logically and rationally on Axanar's side so it wasn't so much everyone agreeing with each other. But I suppose that speaks to the wrongness of Axanar.
That said, so rare to find level-headed discussion on the internet!
It's also been one of the most entertaining threads ever. Thanks everyone 
Did anyone screenshot Gerrold's latest missive (read: rant) before he hit delete? Or can we not see it because he's blocked the entire lot of us in the I Stand With CBS group?
The former seems more plausible than the latter. Because why take the time to block that many people?
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there would have to be an interesting story. which would require something to root for. a brilliant author with a script containing the next 20 years of technology forecasts and a new way of looking at war (since they *have* to do war, again). a budding brilliant business-savvy entrepreneur building a whole new media landscape with a well thought out and valuable novel business plan for narrowcasting. some things that can be pointed to as worthy of recognition in spite of everything. not *just* fans blowing through a huge donation without good business sense.
Ah yes...those crazy days of the 90s in Hollywood. When one could violate copyright with reckless abandon.
Fun Fact: Deep Space Nine was never an "official" Star Trek production. It was all produced in someone's basement in Aurora, Illinois by two kids and hundreds of television stations were tricked into airing it on the weekends.
That's why you'll never see it remastered by CBS. They don't know who did it in the first place!
I have been following S.M. Oliva's Axanar Litigation writings to get better understanding of how the legal aspect of this works. New writings are periodically being added. Each day I go to the site to see if something new has been added. Today the entire body Axanar Litigation is just gone. Completely gone.
It never occurred to me that I needed to make copies of it in case it just... disappeared. (Which is now troubling to me in the light of all the re-writings and locked links and bannings and censorship permeating this whole thing)
Has anyone archived Mr. Oliva's Axanar Litigation pages?
How come the blog is removed?
I noticed that too...
On page 41 now. So much covered, not really much I can add.. but I think the Axanar supportes, as someone suggested very early on, are indeed proceeding through the 5 stages of grief:
1) Denial ("CBS has no right to do this!")
2) Anger ("Eff you, CBS!")
3) Bargaining ("Maybe CBS will license Axanar!")
That's where they are right now-- I was in a discussion elsewhere with some deluded fans that somehow believed that CBS should sign a contract with Axanar Productions to finish the film and earn a royalty from its sale. They somehow think it wouldn't compete with a new TV series or movie, and that not doing so "lacked imagination." They thought it was the most creative, innovative and amazing business decision that CBS/Para could make.
As for the removal of Skip Oliva's article-- that's a very interesting development. I will refrain from speculation until we know more-- it could be something as simple as him migrating Axanar articles into a new subsection of his site.
1) Denial ("CBS has no right to do this!")
2) Anger ("Eff you, CBS!")
3) Bargaining ("Maybe CBS will license Axanar!")
That's where they are right now-- I was in a discussion elsewhere with some deluded fans that somehow believed that CBS should sign a contract with Axanar Productions to finish the film and earn a royalty from its sale. They somehow think it wouldn't compete with a new TV series or movie, and that not doing so "lacked imagination." They thought it was the most creative, innovative and amazing business decision that CBS/Para could make.
As for the removal of Skip Oliva's article-- that's a very interesting development. I will refrain from speculation until we know more-- it could be something as simple as him migrating Axanar articles into a new subsection of his site.
^I sincerely hope nothing serious has happened to affect Oliva. His blog is been a delight to read, and quite informative. Hopefully it's just some weird internet snafu?
Regarding Gerrold's post, etc. .... Because of the crybaby, overwrought, and overreaction-esque tone and tendency of posts by Lord Alec Peters, Rob Burnett, and Gerrold -- reactions not made with any kind of informed reason or rationality, but instead heavily motivated by their own self-interests, I've just learned it's easier to screenshot/capture everything as I come across it. You never know what next outrageous claim one of these jokers will make before they come to their senses and then edit/delete themselves.
Idiots, the lot of them.
Regarding Gerrold's post, etc. .... Because of the crybaby, overwrought, and overreaction-esque tone and tendency of posts by Lord Alec Peters, Rob Burnett, and Gerrold -- reactions not made with any kind of informed reason or rationality, but instead heavily motivated by their own self-interests, I've just learned it's easier to screenshot/capture everything as I come across it. You never know what next outrageous claim one of these jokers will make before they come to their senses and then edit/delete themselves.
Idiots, the lot of them.
On Olivia's open source blog he makes mention of a move to offshore hosting... Maybe it's just lost in the kerfluffle.... But it's interesting that Alec calls him out in his blog today and everything is p00f....
Exactly. Even more laughable is this idea that any of this will be a "public relations disaster" for CBS. It won't. Most Trek fans, despite Axanar's misguided belief, don't give a shit about Axanar one way or the other. There are probably more Trek fans aware of them now after the lawsuit than before. And most Trek fans still don't give a shit. This is one of, if not the largest, Trek fan sites on the 'net.....and most people here can't be assed to comment on this whole situation. The bulk of the one's that care to comment are decidedly pro-CBS.
And non-fans? Well they've never even heard the slightest mention of Axanar. Alec Peters and the Axanar people act like this is some huge thing that everyone knows about and wants. That's usually what happens when you surround yourself with sycophants and fans who only tell you what you want to hear. You start to think you're bigger than you really are and think that if you don't get to complete your little project that everyone in the world will be seriously pissed at CBS.
Axanar is not going to win on any front. Not in court and not in the court of public opinion. The same people that are already cheering them on will be the same people crying and bitching with them when they lose. And while they spend day after day vowing that they won't go see a movie they already decided to not see, while they spend day after day bitching about CBS and vowing that one day....one day....Axanar will rise again, the rest of us will have moved on from all of this to things that actually matter.
As for David Gerold.....really at this point he's just embarrassing himself and I wish he'd jump ship and move on to better things.
Yes that was my philological evaluation.
Hope to see Oliva's stuff back soon. I don't believe Alec has the hacker group 'Anonymous' working for him.
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