STC's Lolani
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We don't know absolutely, but we can make some educated guesses.
For one thing if TOS had gone a fourth season the creative team wouldn't have been looking at things from an early 21st century perspective. They'd still be looking at things from a mid to late 1960's perspective.
A Counselor in the TOS era is an obvious retcon because there's nothing to suggest the TOS creative team would have thought of it. A lot of TNG was a result of a change in GR's perspective over many years after TOS had ended. That isn't to say the idea was totally impossible to have happened back in the day, but rather extremely unlikely.
Now McKennah is a Doctor of psychiatry (which is a smart idea) and so it does pick up on what we had seen previously with Elizabeth Dehner and Helen Noel. If they would stick to referring to and addressing her as Doctor then it would be an easier pill to swallow. But I flinch a little bit whenever I hear her being referred to as Counselor.
Many fans have clamored for years to have seen more of Uhura. She had a couple of nice scenes in the films and a standout moment in TAS' "The Lorelei Signal," but otherwise nothing except some focus in the novels. James Blish was actually the first to give us a bit more Uhura with his adaptations of the episodes, particularly "Balance Of Terror." He also gave her some focus in his novel Spock Must Die. Later other writers gave Uhura more focus in the Pocket Books' novels, particularly the novel Uhura's Song.
STC finally gave us a command rank woman with Commodore Gray.
Now how about that other road not taken previously and give Uhura something meaty to do?
I disagree with the general notion stated earlier that "making movies should be left to the professionals," whoever "the professionals" are supposed to be.
Brilliant, innovative arthouse and independent films of the type shown at international film festivals and released for home viewing by the Criterion Collection would die out if only the "professional" studios made movies.
Intellectual property is something that anybody making and releasing media products has to be careful about. It's not just something that fan film or independent film producers have to worry about.
As been mentioned earlier, even the "professionals" (who presumably already have well-staffed legal departments) get into scuffles over intellectual property. Another prominent example is James Cameron and The Terminator.
This has been discussed before. The concept of a holographic recreational room was in the works at the time of TOS, and it actually made an appearance in TAS.
Kor
Brilliant, innovative arthouse and independent films of the type shown at international film festivals and released for home viewing by the Criterion Collection would die out if only the "professional" studios made movies.
Intellectual property is something that anybody making and releasing media products has to be careful about. It's not just something that fan film or independent film producers have to worry about.
As been mentioned earlier, even the "professionals" (who presumably already have well-staffed legal departments) get into scuffles over intellectual property. Another prominent example is James Cameron and The Terminator.
This has been discussed before. The concept of a holographic recreational room was in the works at the time of TOS, and it actually made an appearance in TAS.
Kor
The reason it seems off in STC is because the original series was very very analogue in it's technology. Usually the technology landed on one side or the other of the fence. It would be either be very much in the spirit of "tapes" "circuits" things that bring to mind vacuum-tubes and big bulky transistors... Or, it would be "magic." Stuff so far beyond us it was insane.
The holodeck, as we know it, actually more or less makes sense, and it's a very digital in feel. It doesn't fall into the old-style analogue tech we see onboard the TOS E, nor is it quite the "magic" we see from other alien species in TOS.
The holodeck, as we know it, actually more or less makes sense, and it's a very digital in feel. It doesn't fall into the old-style analogue tech we see onboard the TOS E, nor is it quite the "magic" we see from other alien species in TOS.
Perhaps if the holographic recreation room had appeared a little more "magical," without hinting at the mechanics by showing the TNG-like black walls with grids, then it might have seemed more TOS-like.
Perhaps a Starfleet R&D team raided whatever was left of the technology in the ancient Kalandan outpust from "That Which Survives." Minus the touch of death, of course.
Kor
Perhaps a Starfleet R&D team raided whatever was left of the technology in the ancient Kalandan outpust from "That Which Survives." Minus the touch of death, of course.
Kor
anywayyy....
Has anyone read the book which actually was the point of this thread in the first place?
(here's Amazon's description of its plot:
AER'LA ONLY WANTED TO BE FREE The Confederated Worlds are unparalleled as a society of free people, yet, somehow, slavery still manages to exist. Aer'La, a non-human, was bred to serve as a pleasure slave. Years ago, she escaped her masters and masqueraded as a human, joining the Confederate Navy, where she worked her way up to ship's Bos'n under the heroic Captain Jan Atal. Now, Aer'La's secret has been discovered by Atal's superiors, the media, and the world at large. Branded a sociopath, she learns that even a free society isn't willing to grant freedom - or justice - to all.
and also:
The central protagonist, a girl barely out of her teens, was raised as a sexual predator and pleasure slave on a planet where such practices are allowed and which are overlooked by the more enlightened races in the galaxy. She managed to escape, joined the intergalactic navy, and has risen to a position of authority on the fleet's flagship, Titan. When her past is uncovered, she and her friends and the ship's captain must prevent her from being returned to her homeworld and captivity. The characters are richly drawn and finely developed and include a not-so-androgynous telepath, a much-maligned Terran, and a Wiccan doctor who heals the soul as well as the body. )
But since all of you just wish to keep re-hashing the same discussion we've already have, I guess I'll have to go find out for myself...
Has anyone read the book which actually was the point of this thread in the first place?
(here's Amazon's description of its plot:
AER'LA ONLY WANTED TO BE FREE The Confederated Worlds are unparalleled as a society of free people, yet, somehow, slavery still manages to exist. Aer'La, a non-human, was bred to serve as a pleasure slave. Years ago, she escaped her masters and masqueraded as a human, joining the Confederate Navy, where she worked her way up to ship's Bos'n under the heroic Captain Jan Atal. Now, Aer'La's secret has been discovered by Atal's superiors, the media, and the world at large. Branded a sociopath, she learns that even a free society isn't willing to grant freedom - or justice - to all.
and also:
The central protagonist, a girl barely out of her teens, was raised as a sexual predator and pleasure slave on a planet where such practices are allowed and which are overlooked by the more enlightened races in the galaxy. She managed to escape, joined the intergalactic navy, and has risen to a position of authority on the fleet's flagship, Titan. When her past is uncovered, she and her friends and the ship's captain must prevent her from being returned to her homeworld and captivity. The characters are richly drawn and finely developed and include a not-so-androgynous telepath, a much-maligned Terran, and a Wiccan doctor who heals the soul as well as the body. )
But since all of you just wish to keep re-hashing the same discussion we've already have, I guess I'll have to go find out for myself...
My thoughts exactly.
This is a fair point. David Gerrold expressed a similar sentiment after writing "The Trouble With Tribbles" and realized his tribbles were somewhat similar to Robert Heinlein's flatcats. Gerrold remembered he had read Heinlein's story years before and wondered if he had been unconsciously influenced by it when writng TTWT.
Back to the alleged plagiarism — if it's true Vic pulled a Shia Labouf. The similarities are stacked against the production. And to be honest, it sours the production for me.
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Repeating this post I made at the beginning of this thread, since it seems to be relevant.
Yep.
Also the author of Taken Liberty, recently posted an interesting article on STAR TREK fans and their misunderstanding of copyright: http://www.stevenhwilson.com/do-star-trek-fans-just-not-understand-copyright/
It's an interesting read. Just because you're not making a "profit" doesn't give you permission to just take whatever the hell you want. Also, sorry Trekkies, we don't own STAR TREK. Not one single piece of it.
The slave girl, who can emit pharmones and seduce men, are certainly similar, but those were all part of established Star Trek works as Orion slave women, before this novel was published. In the novel, the slave girl escaped joined the military and was later discovered, and forced to be turned over. In the case of lolani she was purchased and later killed her purchaser.... There are similarities, sure, but we don't assume the writer plagiarized the sex slave stuff from Star Trek do we?
The author of the book himself sees the similarities, but hasn't really gone into them.
The term for unintentionally copying something you've read/seen/heard of and thinking it a new idea is Cryptomnesia.
The term for unintentionally copying something you've read/seen/heard of and thinking it a new idea is Cryptomnesia.
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