Star Trek: Renegades

[urbandefault]

I was very disappointed in Renegades. The script needed a good rewrite...it was far too convoluted. I most enjoyed the scenes with Chekov...although the actress playing his great granddaughter was awful. Same with the Renegade captain...she overacted every line and her performance was often laughable. Other issues with acting as well. I am hopeful that future episodes will learn the needed lessons from the first installment.

Too many of these so-called "professional" fan films aren't "professional" in the final product. Most are just painful to watch. This is how I felt watching Renegades. I felt the same about STOGAM.

 

[Barbreader]

Can you please have the music like DS9 and VOY?

And go back to the old phaser shooting, thanks.

Because CBS and Paramount do not own that music but must pay when ANYONE uses it, use of Pro Trek music is among the things most likely to get your account closed down.

Really? Continues and Phase II/New Voyages have both sampled liberally from the scores to the original series, and they haven't been shut down.

I'm not getting it either. Barb, perhaps you could explain?

I am not an original source. I am repeating what I have heard from more than a few people. I may be wrong. If Patty Wright drops by, she'd be a better source.

 

[Danlav05]

Here we are in 2016 folks! Hopefully a few months to the shoot if all goes to plan - Trek legends are returning....

 

[Tom]

Thanks!

 

[SFC3]

Really? Continues and Phase II/New Voyages have both sampled liberally from the scores to the original series, and they haven't been shut down.

Phase II continues to sample music, but Continues now has an orchestra led by Andy Farber.

 

[Harvey]

Really? Continues and Phase II/New Voyages have both sampled liberally from the scores to the original series, and they haven't been shut down.

Phase II continues to sample music, but Continues is now composing their own music

Aren't they still doing some tracking? I was under the impression that the new scores were partial only.

The composer is around here sometimes; he can confirm.

 

[Karzak]

Melinda Snodgrass just announced on her Facebook page that she has exited "Renegades" because of the lawsuit against Alec Peters and Axanar Productions..

Melinda Snodgrass said:
I've been remaining silent and watching the CBS/Paramount/Axanar rumble taking place, but it's time for me to weigh in. First this isn't a copyright issue, it's a trademark issue, and a trademark is far more lucrative and valuable then a copyright. There are also rules governing trademark that require that said trademark be "vigorously defended". If you don't you lose the trademark. Which is why given the Star Trek activity that's occurring -- new movie this year, new series in 2017 -- the studio and network felt they had to move against the fan based productions.

So far a cease and desist order has only been issued and a lawsuit filed against Axanar, but speaking as a former attorney I see no way for CBS and Paramount to turn a blind eye to the other fan efforts. As it is they have an "unclean hands" issue because they allowed the fan productions to go forward for so many years without reacting. Now that they are taking notice they will have to take notice across the board -- no exceptions. That's my best prediction based on training and education.

Because I am a professional screenwriter and also as a trained attorney I feel I have to step away from any involvement with any Star Trek fan funded project. Out of love for Star Trek, and the chance to write for two wonderful actors from the original series I was excited to write a new Trek script. And at the time I agreed to do this CBS was giving everyone tacit approval, a sort of wink and a nod. That is no longer the case.

Am I disappointed? Of course. Having met Walter I would love to have written for him, but it's not to be. Look, I don't blame the network or the studio. Bottom line the intellectual property that is Star Trek belongs to them. They have an obligation and a right to protect their asset.

 

[USS Intrepid]

Yeah I saw that. I wasn't terribly concerned before, and I'm not now, but it does make me feel the likelihood that we're all getting C&Ded sooner or later is higher.

Oh well, we've had a good run. If I don't get to produce the next couple of stories I had lined up, c'est la vie.

 

[OpenMaw]

Nice going Axanar. Real freaking nice.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

It's not like any one fan production went out to torpedo the whole community. Trek is undergoing a resurgence and realignment, and current fan-funded productions are going to suffer - for now. Fan films are not dead and will never die.

It *does* suck, but the community were playing with a legal firecracker and they new this could happen.

Mark

 

[OpenMaw]

It's not like any one fan production went out to torpedo the whole community. Trek is undergoing a resurgence and realignment, and current fan-funded productions are going to suffer - for now. Fan films are not dead and will never die.

It *does* suck, but the community were playing with a legal firecracker and they new this could happen.

Mark

I can't agree with that. The attitudes of the Axanar people show us where things went wrong. This is Alec's ego at work. Had he not taken his "Enterprise" as far as he did into the territory of profit and bloat, we would not be having this issue right now. Had he stuck to making a good fan film, instead of trying to make an independent movie and a freaking movie making empire, we wouldn't be looking at potential across the board shutdowns.

 

[Wowbagger]

Ms. Snodgrass is a great writer, but she was already fence-sitting on Renegades pretty hard, and may have only needed a feather to push her back out of the fold.

I'm just bummed for Renegades, which knew it needed a great writer and was lucky enough to actually get one, and for Mr. Koenig, who was really excited about what Ms. Snodgrass had lined up for him here. Can Renegades still use Ms. Snodgrass's outline, or are they at square one now?

 

[Karzak]

Yeah I saw that. I wasn't terribly concerned before, and I'm not now, but it does make me feel the likelihood that we're all getting C&Ded sooner or later is higher.

Oh well, we've had a good run. If I don't get to produce the next couple of stories I had lined up, c'est la vie.

It'd be unfortunate if that wound up being the case, but you guys are talented enough that whatever next, original project you pursue, I'm sure it would be fantastic.

It's not like any one fan production went out to torpedo the whole community. Trek is undergoing a resurgence and realignment, and current fan-funded productions are going to suffer - for now. Fan films are not dead and will never die.

It *does* suck, but the community were playing with a legal firecracker and they new this could happen.

Mark

I can't agree with that. The attitudes of the Axanar people show us where things went wrong. This is Alec's ego at work. Had he not taken his "Enterprise" as far as he did into the territory of profit and bloat, we would not be having this issue right now. Had he stuck to making a good fan film, instead of trying to make an independent movie and a freaking movie making empire, we wouldn't be looking at potential across the board shutdowns.

This.

I'm sure Peters is a nice guy in person, but the cult-ish fanatacism which he has been all too happy to curate amongst his legions of Axanar fans and with which they have proceeded all along has really soured the grapes of any kind of fair appraisal here. Alec's ego certainly played a part in all this, and it very well likely may be that he ends up taking everyone down with him, including his friends at New Voyages all the way to his most hated enemies at Continues and everything in between.

If that does happen, we can lay the blame squarely at the feet of Axanar and the stewardship of it by Peters and Burnett.

 

[Joel_Kirk]

I was very disappointed in Renegades. The script needed a good rewrite...it was far too convoluted. I most enjoyed the scenes with Chekov...although the actress playing his great granddaughter was awful. Same with the Renegade captain...she overacted every line and her performance was often laughable. Other issues with acting as well. I am hopeful that future episodes will learn the needed lessons from the first installment.

Too many of these so-called "professional" fan films aren't "professional" in the final product. Most are just painful to watch. This is how I felt watching Renegades. I felt the same about STOGAM.

I felt the same myself. I had a huge problem with the writing and some of the acting on both of those productions.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

It's not like any one fan production went out to torpedo the whole community. Trek is undergoing a resurgence and realignment, and current fan-funded productions are going to suffer - for now. Fan films are not dead and will never die.

It *does* suck, but the community were playing with a legal firecracker and they new this could happen.

Mark

I can't agree with that. The attitudes of the Axanar people show us where things went wrong. This is Alec's ego at work. Had he not taken his "Enterprise" as far as he did into the territory of profit and bloat, we would not be having this issue right now. Had he stuck to making a good fan film, instead of trying to make an independent movie and a freaking movie making empire, we wouldn't be looking at potential across the board shutdowns.

This.

I'm sure Peters is a nice guy in person, but the cult-ish fanatacism which he has been all too happy to curate amongst his legions of Axanar fans and with which they have proceeded all along has really soured the grapes of any kind of fair appraisal here. Alec's ego certainly played a part in all this, and it very well likely may be that he ends up taking everyone down with him, including his friends at New Voyages all the way to his most hated enemies at Continues and everything in between.

If that does happen, we can lay the blame squarely at the feet of Axanar and the stewardship of it by Peters and Burnett.

I totally concede that egos and probable mismanagement traced to one production can be faulted for the current dilemma - but again, it's not like any one element the community (including the Axanar gang) is out specifically to take the whole thing out of commission. Most people of creative vision are vilified to a certain extent in the process of making their dreams a reality - not knowing any of these people in person doesn't exonerate them, but nor should it condemn them. I'm not disagreeing with you guys, but I think that beyond the "whole truth" thing it still comes down to fans trying to do something with their passion, regardless of the results.

I'll move further comments on this to the Axanar thread.

Mark

 

[Squiggy]

Yeah I saw that. I wasn't terribly concerned before, and I'm not now, but it does make me feel the likelihood that we're all getting C&Ded sooner or later is higher.

Even if C&Ds don't happen, it looks as that industry insiders might not be willing to anger the 500 pound gorilla so they probably won't be lending their expertise for a while.

 

[SuperSpaceMan]

Yeah I saw that. I wasn't terribly concerned before, and I'm not now, but it does make me feel the likelihood that we're all getting C&Ded sooner or later is higher.

Even if C&Ds don't happen, it looks as that industry insiders might not be willing to anger the 500 pound gorilla so they probably won't be lending their expertise for a while.

You mean fan films, will actually go back to being, you know, fan films?

 

[JWPlatt]

Are we judging these fan productions by professional standards, or just having fun? If some folks want professional quality, try Axanar. Oh, wait...

 

[BillJ]

Melinda Snodgrass just announced on her Facebook page that she has exited "Renegades" because of the lawsuit against Alec Peters and Axanar Productions..

Melinda Snodgrass said:
I've been remaining silent and watching the CBS/Paramount/Axanar rumble taking place, but it's time for me to weigh in. First this isn't a copyright issue, it's a trademark issue, and a trademark is far more lucrative and valuable then a copyright. There are also rules governing trademark that require that said trademark be "vigorously defended". If you don't you lose the trademark. Which is why given the Star Trek activity that's occurring -- new movie this year, new series in 2017 -- the studio and network felt they had to move against the fan based productions.

So far a cease and desist order has only been issued and a lawsuit filed against Axanar, but speaking as a former attorney I see no way for CBS and Paramount to turn a blind eye to the other fan efforts. As it is they have an "unclean hands" issue because they allowed the fan productions to go forward for so many years without reacting. Now that they are taking notice they will have to take notice across the board -- no exceptions. That's my best prediction based on training and education.

Because I am a professional screenwriter and also as a trained attorney I feel I have to step away from any involvement with any Star Trek fan funded project. Out of love for Star Trek, and the chance to write for two wonderful actors from the original series I was excited to write a new Trek script. And at the time I agreed to do this CBS was giving everyone tacit approval, a sort of wink and a nod. That is no longer the case.

Am I disappointed? Of course. Having met Walter I would love to have written for him, but it's not to be. Look, I don't blame the network or the studio. Bottom line the intellectual property that is Star Trek belongs to them. They have an obligation and a right to protect their asset.

Lucasfilm hasn't ever needed to shut down everyone. So I'm not sure why CBS would?

 

[lurok]

I was very disappointed in Renegades. The script needed a good rewrite...it was far too convoluted. I most enjoyed the scenes with Chekov...although the actress playing his great granddaughter was awful. Same with the Renegade captain...she overacted every line and her performance was often laughable. Other issues with acting as well. I am hopeful that future episodes will learn the needed lessons from the first installment.

Too many of these so-called "professional" fan films aren't "professional" in the final product. Most are just painful to watch. This is how I felt watching Renegades. I felt the same about STOGAM.

I felt the same myself. I had a huge problem with the writing and some of the acting on both of those productions.

Me too. But...my personal bias...even 'bad' Trek is better than no Trek (and quite of a bit of the TV and film output is bad Trek!), and for all the various fanfilms faults I admire their passion and devotion to make something tangible.

That's why I hope this CBS (/Paramount?) action is more about Axanar practices, and will leave some wriggle room for STC, Renegades, Aurora to continue.