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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Sorry if this opinion was already posted, but it took them long enough to file a suit.

So long that I think they're only doing it due to the success and popularity of Axanar. Lots of other fan productions out there, but Axanar is top quality. Better than some actual Paramount productions.

Im sorry its not the popularity of Axanar. Something happen that we do not know. You had productions with Full crew members of official trek and actors and there have been no issue, there is something more that we do not know and I hope the team at Axanar will share what the issue is.
 
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This is what one and a half million bucks and two years of work can buy you.
 
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Wood.

(I know, not great but that's a lot of wood that's just sitting around now waiting to be utilised :))

The way Peters and Burnett are acting, it reminds me of my two boys. When one gets caught acting a idiot, he automatically tries to drag his brother into it with "But dad, he was...."

:lol:

Was thinking just the same. Man-child syndrome.
 
Lots of other fan productions out there, but Axanar is top quality. Better than some actual Paramount productions.

Sorry but we saw a 20 minute teaser of what may have been a great fan film.....I don't think that is better. I think it may have been amazing but instead of making the film......people got greedy and built a studio instead.
 
Sorry if this opinion was already posted, but it took them long enough to file a suit.

So long that I think they're only doing it due to the success and popularity of Axanar. Lots of other fan productions out there, but Axanar is top quality. Better than some actual Paramount productions.

Axanar is on par with BSG Blood and Chrome, effects wise. But for all their claims, they're just another Trek does war fanfilm. Dominion Wars: The TOS years.
 
So long that I think they're only doing it due to the success and popularity of Axanar. Lots of other fan productions out there, but Axanar is top quality. Better than some actual Paramount productions.

:rofl:

Oh wait, you're serious.

C'mon. They made a talking heads trailer with lots of spaceship VFX that was a nice novelty. They to date released a single walk-n-talk scene. One can't judge the quality of their proposed and as-yet unmade film on the basis of that.
 
Sorry if this opinion was already posted, but it took them long enough to file a suit.

So long that I think they're only doing it due to the success and popularity of Axanar. Lots of other fan productions out there, but Axanar is top quality. Better than some actual Paramount productions.

Axanar is on par with BSG Blood and Chrome, effects wise. But for all their claims, they're just another Trek does war fanfilm. Dominion Wars: The TOS years.

Frankly, this is why Axanar's never really appealed to me. I get the sense that it's supposed to be a grim 'n gritty war movie, which is just not what I want from my Trek. I wouldn't mind seen a war movie, but it doesn't have to be grim 'n gritty - look at Star Wars, for instance.
 
Well, I would say this is surprising...except I'm not surprised. Axanar had a lot of promise, but once the timetables got stretched out, and they wanted more and more money, and the whole thing with renting the studio...I had a feeling we'd never see the completed project. So I never got excited for it.

But I'll echo a few others in saying that I hope other productions like STC can avoid getting sued too.
 
You remember the backlash from the fans regarding Cushman (who apparently also wrote the story for "Sarek", BTW, per the latest Mission Log) directing porn?
I thought Peter S. Beagle wrote "Sarek"...?

Note I said "story."
I didn't know it was based on something someone else wrote. So now do I blame Beagle, or this Cushman guy? (I can't stand that episode - Perrin, and also what they did to Sarek. Why does everyone on Trek have to have some horrible mental disease when they get old? - Picard, Tuvok, Sarek. Feh.)
 
Sorry if this opinion was already posted, but it took them long enough to file a suit.

So long that I think they're only doing it due to the success and popularity of Axanar. Lots of other fan productions out there, but Axanar is top quality. Better than some actual Paramount productions.

It was released shortly after their Annual Report disclosed Peter's and Kingberry Salaries.. and as Producers I wonder if that's what CBS/Paramount was waiting for....
 
(I can't stand that episode - Perrin, and also what they did to Sarek. Why does everyone on Trek have to have some horrible mental disease when they get old? - Picard, Tuvok, Sarek. Feh.)

Because everyone who gets old usually faces diminished mental faculties of one form or another.
 
Sorry if this opinion was already posted, but it took them long enough to file a suit.

So long that I think they're only doing it due to the success and popularity of Axanar. Lots of other fan productions out there, but Axanar is top quality. Better than some actual Paramount productions.

It was released shortly after their Annual Report disclosed Peter's and Kingberry Salaries.. and as Producers I wonder if that's what CBS/Paramount was waiting for....

Well, if I was wanting to make a case for the production being for-profit, that'd be a nice little candlestick in the library if I was CBS legal
 
I said elsewhere that the downside of the rise of crowdfunded fan-films is that it promotes the skill of marketing over the ingenuity of doing more with less. Axanar is (or was) a marketing victory. No doubt about that. And I'm surprised nobody is bringing up perhaps the single biggest influencer who pushed Axanar over the top.

George Takei.

http://www.space.com/26954-star-trek-axanar-george-takei-film.html

I know he doesn't speak for CBS/Paramount, but after that high-profile endorsement, I really started to think maybe Axanar and similar projects had been given a free-pass.
 
I thought Peter S. Beagle wrote "Sarek"...?

Note I said "story."
I didn't know it was based on something someone else wrote. So now do I blame Beagle, or this Cushman guy? (I can't stand that episode - Perrin, and also what they did to Sarek. Why does everyone on Trek have to have some horrible mental disease when they get old? - Picard, Tuvok, Sarek. Feh.)

In the interest of fairness, McCoy didn't lose his marbles when he got old. Neither did Spock, Scotty, or T'Pau (though she's kind of a reverse case in terms of storytelling, of course.)

If one puts together the info shared by Michael Piller and Cushman, the original story featured a new ambassador. Roddenberry was the one who suggested making it Sarek, but they held off on making the episode until Season 3. (http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Sarek_(episode)#Story_and_script)
 
David Gerrold's response:

As I know Alec Peters (and several other independent producers this might affect) I have to suggest that this could be a big mistake for the studio and the network to go after fan films. Most of the fan film producers are good guys, they are enthusiastic fans. (Even the one or two I don't like very much.)

It's likely going to piss off the fans and damage both Paramount and CBS' relationship with the core audience -- and that audience is already seething about the way Trek has been presented in the last two movies.

The fan films have, to a great extent, recaptured the spirit of the original series, something that seems to have eluded some of those who have actually been entrusted with custody of the franchise.

Too often, Star Trek has been reimagined and reinvented in someone else's image, and the result is not the Star Trek Gene Roddenberry created. (Gene seethed about that too -- but Gene wasn't always right either.)

With this action, CBS and Paramount are sending a strong signal that their intention is to shut down not just this fan film, but any fan film that they choose to disapprove of. In this case, I would guess it's because Axanar has raised too much money and intends to create a truly professional-looking product.

What some have suggested -- and it's an interesting thought -- is that Paramount has a new movie coming out in 2016 and CBS has a new series planned. It could be that on some level they are concerned about the inevitable comparison with Axanar and other fan productions. (Especially if the fans demonstrate that they can do for one million dollars what a studio can't accomplish with 100 million.)

But the lawsuit suggests that CBS and Paramount might be missing the point. The fan productions are about the hunger for new Star Trek. They're not competition as much as they are signs that the franchise is alive and well. Keeping the fans engaged is the best thing that CBS and Paramount can do to keep the franchise alive.

I understand the corporate desire to protect their rights to the franchise, but that cat got out of the bag a long time ago. If they weren't going to shut down Star Trek New Voyages and Star Trek Continues and Star Trek Renegades and Star Trek Farragut for "copyright infringement" -- and those productions use Kirk, Spock, et al, and the original enterprise -- then they're going to have a much harder case with Axanar which barely touches the same specific content of the original series.

I suspect that the lawsuit isn't about copyright infringement as much as it's designed to intimidate Axanar's producers. I'll be interested to see how this proceeds.
I wonder how much money Axanar can raise if they crowdfund their legal costs....

[I have no direct access and no specific information on this situation, other than the new reports I have read. My comments are my own thoughts on the matter and are not to be interpreted as representing anybody else's opinion or the opinions of anyone involved in the case.]

[And if I did have access to that kind of information, I wouldn't repeat it, because it would violate the confidentiality of the participants.]

Source: https://www.facebook.com/david.gerrold/posts/10207057494648136
 
I hope he can somehow mend the relationship enough to get Axanar made. It was a great idea that was the victim of mission creep on the part of Peters.
 
It was released shortly after their Annual Report disclosed Peter's and Kingberry Salaries.. and as Producers I wonder if that's what CBS/Paramount was waiting for....

Are you able to elaborate? The Prelude budget (which they made public) didn't raise any red flags as I recall, which is why I was intrigued why the latest annual report wasn't equally made public.
 
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