You know, if love/disinterest in the Franchise "shows" in the final product, why do most fans attempting to produce Star Trek stuff produce such impenetrable crap?
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You know, if love/disinterest in the Franchise "shows" in the final product, why do most fans attempting to produce Star Trek stuff produce such impenetrable crap?
JJ Trek films are two FX overweight sprawling messes with villains who are one or two dimensional. Full of lazy writing,. Kirk wakes up after dying after a couple minutes - that kind of stuff.
Star Wars is good fare, FX mostly under control and proportionate, very few silly scenes whilst still being effective with a genuinely wrenching plot twist that compensates for the typical death star battle. That's far tighter quality of filmmaking overall.
You couldn't have a starker gulf as to how JJ & Co have treated the two franchises.
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He wasn't using the same terrible writing team on TFA.
Name one original Trek villain that had any depth. They all wanted to either attack Earth because they didn't get what they asked for or attack Kirk because Kirk attacked him.
Cumberkahn actually had some depth.
Opinion can vary here, too. While they liked the movie, Variety still called Abrams' treatment of TFA "too reverential," making it in places almost a riff on the original SW rather than anything truly original. A few other reviews, while positive, cited parts that seemed derivative of SW rather than fresh.
The thing is, Abrams went the nostalgic and romantic route with TFA, not repeating the turgid and slow story-telling of the three previous installments. His feeling may have been that SW wasn't broke, it just needed to be put back on the right track. In ST09, he took a fresher approach in reinventing the truly broke and moribund Trek franchise.
I think for what each franchise needed, he did a fantastic job. Maybe even better in Trek given how irrelevant Trek had become.
Link to the Variety review:
http://variety.com/2015/film/reviews/star-wars-review-the-force-awakens-1201661978/
So did Nero.
And I'll take Kirk and Spock's arc over the TNG films any day.
As for comparisons to TFA, I can't agree. TFA was filled with nods and storylines from the OT and even influences of the EU than original material. As much as I enjoyed the film (and I did
) the bad guys big bad weapon was too on the nose for me.In both cases, the characters are the more enjoyable facet for me, but that doesn't mean I don't see overt plot points in TFA.
Tomalok in TNG, he never wanted to destroy Earth, or made much or a move to kill someone unless their death was part of a larger plan to gain more power in the Romulan Empire.
Sela was a cheap ripoff of him fueled by her mothers idiotic death and a hatred of anyone non-Romulan over it.
Sela was a cheap ripoff of him fueled by her mothers idiotic death and a hatred of anyone non-Romulan over it.
Nope.
The idea that people make excuses for the sake of liking or remembering something fondly is silly, though perhaps some people do. But applying that notion categorically to all people who enjoyed any one of six films is totally absurd. And taking it further by saying it's the "only" reason anyone likes or remembers those films fondly is beyond absurd.
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While Dennis may be a little extreme in his assessment, memoria praeteritorum bonorum is absolutely a prevailing problem with this message board.
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And when someone is just flat wrong, it's like the freakin cinnamon challenge.
I hate Enterprise and Into Darkness and I make no excuses for that
There are awful episodes of all the shows and some pretty crappy movies. Perhaps some people love it all unconditionally but I find the notion that I would make "excuses" for enjoying any of the 6 original movies or anything else from the old Trek to be laughable.
If I dislike something I won't waste my time forcing myself to enjoy it. That's madness.
The whole concept of that statement could easily be turned around on the person who made it. Do they make excuses for the things they like even if they think they're crap? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
though perhaps some people do. But applying that notion categorically to all people who enjoyed any one of six films is totally absurd. And taking it further by saying it's the "only" reason anyone likes or remembers those films fondly is beyond absurd.
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