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Rey in The Force Awakens (Possible Spoilers)

Nice Post Emma Snow. Rey is easily the best thing about the movie for me. I am so glad that my children have their own generation of noble and worthy Star Wars heroes. Especially, I am glad that my daughter watched this movie and saw Rey as the primary hero. My daughter did not want to see the movie (it was a boy's movie) but my son did and we had no babysitter--when we left the cinema my daughter was as excited as my son. Two days later they are having pretend saber fights and she is Rey. I wonder how many other father's are having a similar experience with their daughters this week.
 
Leia was SW's first feminist protagonist. She was no helpless damsel.

It's a shame you didn't bother to read the article because it addresses that with complexity and nuance.


Nice Post Emma Snow. Rey is easily the best thing about the movie for me. I am so glad that my children have their own generation of noble and worthy Star Wars heroes. Especially, I am glad that my daughter watched this movie and saw Rey as the primary hero. My daughter did not want to see the movie (it was a boy's movie) but my son did and we had no babysitter--when we left the cinema my daughter was as excited as my son. Two days later they are having pretend saber fights and she is Rey. I wonder how many other father's are having a similar experience with their daughters this week.

That is wonderful! Thanks for sharing!
 
Leia was SW's first feminist protagonist. She was no helpless damsel.

Leia is certainly a respectable character, but the Atlantic article mentioned above does a pretty good job of explaining how her character was rooted in its time.

With Rey we have an actual light saber wielding heroine and primary protagonist of the series.
 
Leia was SW's first feminist protagonist. She was no helpless damsel.

It's a shame you didn't bother to read the article because it addresses that with complexity and nuance.

Not really. For one thing, it takes "Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You’re my only hope" completely out of context, as if Leia was asking to be personally rescued in that instance. She wasn't. The help she was asking for involved the continuance of her mission without her. It was about getting the plans to the Rebellion and saving billions of people from summary execution. It wasn't about her at all. It's as if the writer isn't particularly conversant with the plot and is just culling dialogue to support a thesis.

I mean, she shot dudes in the face. She personally choked Jabba the Hutt to death. She bitched at the people rescuing her. If she's not considered feminist enough by the standards of modern feminism I suspect the problem isn't her.
 
You might want to re-read it again. I like Leia and of course she is strong. But she is an archetype, not a fully-fledged character like Rey.
The article went to great length to explain what's new.
 
I mean, she shot dudes in the face. She personally choked Jabba the Hutt to death.

While she was in a bikini and all the men were running all over the place taking care of the "real" fight. Even in 1983 this stood out as being an awkward way to treat the woman in the cast. Like the woman in the middle of a fight breaking a flower pot over the head of one of the bad guys, or the only two women in the room fighting each other while screaming while the men duke it out.
 
Leia was definitely a very strong and independent character in ANH-- barking orders, not intimidated by anyone, etc-- but by the second and third movies had been softened considerably, and seemed far more demure than she had been for some reason. Pretty much every scene she had in ESB revolved around her budding romance with Han, and in ROTJ she's either in a metal bikini or following Han and Luke around Endor (and even when killing Jabba or hopping onto a speeder bike, she seemed to be lacking the fire that we saw before).

I was really hoping for TFA we'd get to see a return of that feisty ANH Leia again, but clearly Abrams decided to continue with the softer version instead.
 
I just saw the movie last night, and I loved Rey.
I definitely think she is Luke's daughter. My theory right now is that after Ben went over to the Dark Side and killed all of the other Jedi, Luke decided he was to dangerous to be around, and decided she'd be better off alone on Jakku. The only thing I'm not sure about is why he wouldn't have given her over to Han and Leia.
One thing another review I read pointed out, is that she is the big destined hero, which isn't something you see very often. I actually thought it was great that she was the Jedi and not Finn. After all of the clips of Finn with the Lightsaber I had been assuming it would be him.
Having her being the one to free herself was a nice change. Even as kickass as Leia was in ANH, she still had to be rescued by Han and Luke.
Her and Ben's duel is one of my favorites in the entire saga.
I honestly didn't think about her connection to the Lightsaber being due to her being the granddaughter and daughter of it's previous owners, but that does make sense.
I can't wait to see what her and Luke's interactions will be like in VIII.
 
Jabba was part of the real fight, Luke straight up told him he was going to die and Leia took care of it herself. She also was captured in the first place during a bad ass mission to rescue Han, but I don't see anyone calling Han Solo a damsel in distress.

I'll be more interested when Rey's not a cardboard cut out in every way, or when she's not conveniently always matched up against odds she can win. They don't have to make a character succeed at everything in order to make them look strong, there wasn't anything subtle about that. The best heroes, regardless of gender, have flaws and aren't perfect. See: Ripley, Furiosa
 
:rolleyes:
Repeating that again?

On another note here's the Washington Post's take:

Some quotes:

Washington Post said:
... it was the movie that reminded me just how powerful it can be to see yourself as the hero of a story that you love, and opened up the possibility of even more radical change to come to the “Star Wars” universe in the future.

[...]

While I found myself annoyed on behalf of Leia and all of us who love her by Abrams’s pre-release suggestion that in his hands, “Star Wars” will no longer be just a guy thing, that thoughtfulness made a difference to me when I was watching “The Force Awakens.” Fans have always had the power to dream themselves into their favorite franchises, but there’s something undeniably special when a director makes those points of dreamy identification easier. And though Princess Leia, by virtue of being my gateway pop culture icon, gave me the great gift of teaching me to expect that in my pop culture, women would always be there saving the galaxy, I found myself touched by Rey in a way I hadn’t really believed possible. “The Force Awakens” gave me a world where women were both exceptional and the rule.

Rey’s role in “The Force Awakens” is fascinating not just because she’s a woman plunked into one of the cockpit seats of the Millenium Falcon, or a girl who happens to be handy with a (laser) gun. Her position as not just a smart, capable and potentially powerful woman, but the person at the heart of the new “Star Wars” trilogy who has great native abilities with the Force, is the only thing about the otherwise fairly conservative “Force Awakens” to tweak one of the franchise’s core concepts.

In previous “Star Wars” movies*, the Force has been not just a religious concept, but a tool for exploring masculinity. Jedi Knights and Sith Lords and the apprentices they both train have almost always been men in “Star Wars” movies. The female Jedi Knights we’ve seen have been minor characters; we haven’t learned much about their journeys or their relationships to the Force. And the boundary between the Dark Side and the Light tends to be demarcated by the moments when traits that are coded as masculinity tip over from admirable into dangerous: forcefulness become aggression, self-defense turns into violent attack, righteous conviction turns into anger and then to hate.

Figuring out how to be a Jedi Knight is proxy for figuring out how to be a good man, whether that means determining how best to stop a would-be Emperor, how to protect your wife during a fraught pregnancy, or how to confront your long-absent and difficult father.

[...]

So what happens when a woman picks up that lightsaber and that responsibility? What is Rey’s story going to be, now that the Force isn’t a battlefield between fathers (or father figures) and their sons?

When boys find out they’re chosen ones in fiction, the news often seems to confirm something for them, a lingering sense that they were not simply different, but special. But when girls are chosen, it’s a challenge to the existing order that sees us as supporting characters, as the way some man proves his goodness or badness. Grabbing hold of the destiny that someone’s offering you requires a certain arrogance that’s cultivated in boys and crushed in girls.

Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill) wanted to leave Tatooine in “A New Hope,” believing he had — if not a grand destiny — a right to life on a larger scale. Rey spends much of “The Force Awakens” talking about how she wants to stay on Jakku in the hopes that whoever abandoned her there as a child will finally come back for her. She wants to be part of a family, not to be called by the universe. If Rey is to become a Jedi Knight, to save Luke from believing that, like Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda before him, he might become the last of an ancient order, she’ll have to embrace not just the wider world she sees over the course of “The Force Awakens,” but her own importance.

It’s for that reason that the final scene in “The Force Awakens” left me breathless in theaters, and has made my heart quicken every time I’ve considered it since. The moment when Luke and Rey first regard each other is remarkable. It’s beautifully composed and shot, and Abrams shows tremendous trust in his actors to communicate without words and in his audience to simply watch them without the diversions of dogfights or flaring blades. And so much happens in that moment: Luke’s shock and wonder, Rey’s fear and perhaps a bit of anger.
 
Jabba was part of the real fight, Luke straight up told him he was going to die and Leia took care of it herself. She also was captured in the first place during a bad ass mission to rescue Han, but I don't see anyone calling Han Solo a damsel in distress.

Making a female character a damsel in distress is the eighth deadly sin. At least I'm sure it is in there somewhere.

In any event, I agree. Han was the one in need of rescuing, and nobody but Luke did much of anything in the ensuing battle other than stand around and make quips. At least Leia got to kill someone!

But the bikini was and is a complete eyesore.
 
In previous “Star Wars” movies*, the Force has been not just a religious concept, but a tool for exploring masculinity.
:rolleyes: What's next the lightsabers being a phallic symbol?

Rey could have been a male character and it would still be just as flat of a character, just as bad as what John McClane has become in the lastest die hard vs. the flawed hero he started as.

And yeah I agree the gold bikini thing was lame.
 
She's a real character. She is, as the article points out, subtle, nuanced, and human. She is a fully-fledged character and not an archetype. And as a woman it's so damn refreshing to see a character like that in a franchise as huge as Star Wars.

Yep. It was nice to have a woman and a black man simply be regular - and central - characters in a sci-fi film, heck any film.

It was almost like The Powers That Be finally recognized that someone other than white males wants to watch a film and see a hero that looks like them. :)
 
The funny thing is: Most men I've talked to were also like: "Hell, yes. Finally not "another white dude"."

So I guess even many white guys are really longing for some diversity.
 
It was almost like The Powers That Be finally recognized that someone other than white males wants to watch a film and see a hero that looks like them. :)

Lando Calrissian is a hero and blew up the second death star in 1983 :techman:

:rolleyes:
I'm sure you got the point. The stuff The Atlantic wrote about feminism, Rey and Leia in that article I linked earlier also kind of applies to diversity, Lando and Finn. Your posts are refusing to acknowledge any nuance. But hey, you've shown the same kind of stubborn trait when you kept ignoring all the evidence to the contrary when you made your Mary Sue claim. Keep repeating yourself!
 
It was almost like The Powers That Be finally recognized that someone other than white males wants to watch a film and see a hero that looks like them. :)

Lando Calrissian is a hero and blew up the second death star in 1983 :techman:

He also was and is a secondary character. All we know about him is that he loves the ladies, runs a big city, and is super tight with the white dude we've been following around for a film and a half. Oh, and he sucks at making deals.
 
Hey I'm just showing respect to a great character Lando. :) He was a major character to me.

The repetition in the mary sue debate came from you guys stubbornly listing the same flaws (which aren't) such as her needing to be rescued apparently (which we are shown was help she didn't need.) I'm welcome to consider other points but so far it's been the same thing brought up as flaws.
 
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