Complaints (Spoilers)

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

Skywalkers are that good, or natural with the Force.

Yeah. Anakin was flying pod racers as a kid, Luke made that one in a million thermal port shot, and Leia sensed Luke in TESB without much training (if any) at all.

So they all would have just spontaneously developed telekinesis and the ability to manipulate others' minds one day without any need for instruction or practice whatsoever? That's a bit too easy IMO. I think learning how to do that kind of stuff is (or should be) on another level beyond merely having the naturally acute sensitivities and aptitudes that predispose one to being able to learn how to do them. I think it should require more time and effort and guidance than it took Rey, anyway, in order to be fully dramatically satisfying.

 

[Kor]

I still think that Ren's aggressive probing into Rey with "The Force" unlocked something in her.

Kor

 

[Trekkin]

And whatever it was that sparked the lightsaber vision. Besides seeing the future, she heard things from the past that couldn't possibly be her own memories.

 

[drt]

Ren's digging around in her head helped somehow, but there could have at least been a line to that effect to make it clear.

I thought it seemed pretty clear that Ren probing her triggered something. *shrug*



I think my biggest complaint with the movie was Carrie Fisher's CGI'd face, which I found super distracting.

 

[Greylock Crescent]

I think my biggest complaint with the movie was Carrie Fisher's CGI'd face, which I found super distracting.

Is there documentation of that?

 

[Kor]

Wait, what?

Kor

 

[Ithekro]

I think Rey's poking around Ren's head gave her ideas. A lot of what Luke did seems to be necessity being the mother of invention.

"Okay, my lightsaber is over there. I can't quite reach it. Maybe I can will it to my hand?"

With Rey it was something like "Maybe I can talk my way out of this. That Ren guy tried to do stuff to my head, maybe I can do stuff to that stormtrooper's head?"

 

[bbjeg]

^What he said. Luke force pulled without any training to do so.

Skywalkers are that good, or natural with the Force.

Yeah. Anakin was flying pod racers as a kid, Luke made that one in a million thermal port shot, and Leia sensed Luke in TESB without much training (if any) at all.

So they all would have just spontaneously developed telekinesis and the ability to manipulate others' minds one day without any need for instruction or practice whatsoever? That's a bit too easy IMO. I think learning how to do that kind of stuff is (or should be) on another level beyond merely having the naturally acute sensitivities and aptitudes that predispose one to being able to learn how to do them. I think it should require more time and effort and guidance than it took Rey, anyway, in order to be fully dramatically satisfying.

Anakin predicted what image was on that pad Mace Windu was holding as a kid without any training and barely any knowledge of the force. Who knows what he would have figured out if they chose not to train him, being aware of the force as he then was. Then there's the obvious "who was the first force user" question. Did they have a teacher too?

 

[drt]

I think my biggest complaint with the movie was Carrie Fisher's CGI'd face, which I found super distracting.

Is there documentation of that?

I was being flippant but whatever was going with her face (too much plastic surgery, caked on make-up, etc.) seemed unnatural.

 

[The Wormhole]

Complaints? A few.

-As already covered, the lack of proper explanations of what the Resistance and First Order are.

-The movie did rely too much on nostalgia and callbacks. While most of it was fun, it did get distracting at times. It was especially distracting when everyone is practically grinning and winking over tossing Captain Phasma into the trash compactor.

-Starkiller base was a total miss for me. Basically a rehash of the Death Star which is even pointed out in the movie itself except overpowered to silly extremes. The battle to destroy it contained no tension and no excitement. It was just something happening.

-Related to the Starkiller complaint, but I'll give it its own point, Abrams really needs to take science lessons. Truth is, I don't really care much about scientific accuracy, but some attempt should be made to at least be plausible. This guy is so terrible with science and it's truly shocking to think he's the authority over two of the world's largest sci-fi franchises.

 

[Greylock Crescent]

I think my biggest complaint with the movie was Carrie Fisher's CGI'd face, which I found super distracting.

Is there documentation of that?

I was being flippant but whatever was going with her face (too much plastic surgery, caked on make-up, etc.) seemed unnatural.

Well, in that case, it was an unpleasant, detestable thing to say.

 

[theenglish]

Is there documentation of that?

I was being flippant but whatever was going with her face (too much plastic surgery, caked on make-up, etc.) seemed unnatural.

Well, in that case, it was an unpleasant, detestable thing to say.

She didn't have more make up than Harrison Ford. I actually thought the movie did a pretty good job as portraying them as older without trying to recapture their youth as in the OT. Solo was more of an Indy's father type and it served the movie well.

 

[Greylock Crescent]

Agreed.

 

[Trekker4747]

I'm sticking with my "Long Kiss Goodnight" theory right now in regards to Rey.

And, yeah, Chewie's bowcaster is supposed to be more powerful and accurate than a laser-pistol so maybe it's a bit beyond Kylo's ability to stop it or, he just didn't have the chance/reflexes at the time to do it.

If I had to make *some* complaint, and I do have some minor ones, is I suppose the "callbacks" obviously there for some level of fan service. Them stumbling upon the Falcon is fine and then shortly after Chewie and Han show-up is fine, other coincidences like that I can more-or-less deal with.

But in the several decades they've worked together Han has never used Chewie's bowcaster? At all? Or noticed how well it fired and how well he used it?

But the one sort of odd and out of place "callback" is when Han suggests putting what's-her-name Captain Silver Storm Trooper Armor in the garbage compactor. Obviously a call back to ANH and, after 30-40 years, Han wanting to get payback for something that happened to him back then. But, first of all he was in that compactor from more-or-less his own fault considering the situation they were in and how he decided to escape from it and, well, he did come out of it perfectly fine.

So, I dunno, there were maybe a couple of other little "wink, wink" moments like that that were a little silly. I think Finn tossing aside the training-droid thing is another along those lines.

But, really, any "complaints" I can think of are minor ones like that because any larger complaints I'm waiting to see if they're explained or fleshed out in future movies/installments.

 

[P0sitr0nic]

Using the wrong button to turn on Lukes saber.

 

[JRoss]

Nobody mentioned the one lens flare yet, I just realized. I do think Rey had her memories wiped. Something about her seems like she should know more than she does.

 

[Turtletrekker]

My only real complaint is a lack of originality in the plot structure. It was essentially a beat-for-beat remake of Episode IV.

Consider the following and tell me what movie I'm talking about...

• The main character comes from a remote desert world and has mysterious parentage and unrealized Force potential.
  
• The hero gets caught up in galactic events after encountering a droid with information vital in the battle against the enemy.
  
• The hero and companions escape the desert world amidst a firefight in the Millenium Falcon.
  
• The enemy builds a space station capable of destroying entire worlds, which is utilized against a world that supports their enemy.
  
• Along the journey, our heroes travel to a bar filled with exotic aliens and live music as well as stage a rescue operation in the enemy station.
  
• The mentor/father figure character was killed by the villain, with whom which he once had a close relationship.
  
• The station is destroyed by a group of Starfighters exploiting an obvious weakness that was somehow overlooked.
  
• In the end, the hero defeats the enemy after embracing the Force.

Sound familiar? I enjoyed the movie, but would've liked a story that I hadn't already seen before.

 

[Kor]

Say what you will about the callbacks to the OT, but I think they were way better than the callbacks in Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

Kor

 

[Set Harth]

If Kylo Ren took off his mask and it was Shia LaBeouf there probably would have been mass suicides.

 

[Trekker4747]

Say what you will about the callbacks to the OT, but I think they were way better than the callbacks in Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

Kor

Or the call backs (call-forwards?) in the PT or even the proposed ones we didn't get.