Dying because you risk your own life to maybe save your son - after leading an assault to save your cause, and the galaxy, from a massive, imminent threat, is "going out in a wimper"?
I, oh so respectfully, disagree.
Han Solo From SWANH vs. Han Solo From SWTFA(BEWARE MAJOR SPOILERS
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I, oh so respectfully, disagree.
I liked that she could sense it through the force, though.
To me, Han almost had a Obi Wan type role for this movie. Once he stepped foot on that bridge, it was obvious one of two characters would die. I thought it was a fitting ending.
Anyway, if the thread is a discussion about his character, it was well-handled. He was consistent with who he had been, but wiser still. Like I said, he's the Obi Wan of the movie, but he did it with his own flair and style. If this thread is about the death (which it doesn't purport to be), I thought it made sense just as it did with Obi Wan.
I was ready for Han's death in a way I wasn't for Spock. He gave his son every chance.
Now, myself--I think Han was such a major character that I would only have dared kill him in some type of cross-over--say with Trek or Dr. Who--Han only dying at the hand of The Master--who is then permanently killed--or the Falcon getting blown to bits by a Klingon Bird of Prey. Han is that important.
Now, myself--I think Han was such a major character that I would only have dared kill him in some type of cross-over--say with Trek or Dr. Who--Han only dying at the hand of The Master--who is then permanently killed--or the Falcon getting blown to bits by a Klingon Bird of Prey. Han is that important.
My feelings exactly. Even though Han's my favorite Star Wars character, his death didn't have any emotional impact on me. It would've worked better if there had been a film before this that actually showed Kylo Ren as Han and Leia's son and his fall to the Dark Side, but as it's presented here, the viewer simply doesn't share Han's sense of loss.
Case in point, Vader killing Obi-Wan in ANH has a lot more impact after watching them together in the prequels.
When Han keeps his date with destiny on a catwalk, I was just like, "oh, OK ... here it comes, now" and I was "ready" for it, if you will. But it didn't really play, for me, you know? I was moved by it, only because it somehow reminded me of my own father. That he would try to save me, even from myself, if it came to that. But what I was actually watching onscreen, as far as caring about this happening to these characters, it seemed kind of corny. And Rey's weeping in a bucket over it, after knowing Han for a few hours kind of leapt me out of the movie, to be honest. I expected a certain level of shock, of course, I did. But it was so obviously for the fans, her reaction. A lot of fan wankery in this picture that I could've done without, actually ...
The way Luke did with Obi-Wan? At least here, Han was a legend. Ben Kenobi was just some old dude from the next town over.
No, Tosk. There was an implied history with Obi-wan and Luke. Uncle Owen and Luke had a discussion about him, early on and later when Ben and Luke meet, there's that familiarity.
Well it could be worse. At least he didn't die by having a bridge fall on him.
Well it was Kirks fattness that did him in ones particular cat walk. It was Solo not thinking things through that got him killed on his catwalk.
Probably knowledge via the Force. Leia's the smart one of the old group after all.
To me, Han's death didn't have as much of an emotional impact because I think a lot of people expected it. As a kid I didn't expect Obi Wan to die so it was a very big deal to me. But that fight with Vader and Obi Wan, it had an emotional impact. I mean we hadn't seen them before but it just felt like there was history and regret and loss there.
Even though there was a great set up for such a scenario with the scene between Han and Leia, probably my favorite scene in the whole movie, I didn't feel the impact of Han's death. I can't say it was bad acting or anything on either actors' part. Something was lacking. Maybe if Adam Driver had been a little more like Commodus in Gladiator when in how he berated/pleaded (?) with his father right before killing him.
But I certainly wouldn't have minded if we had seen more of Ben's relationship with his parents. It definitely would've made his turn more heartbreaking. Even though I don't think Legacy of the Force quite pulled off Darth Caedus, still he was a character that had quite a bit of a backstory so we saw him as a hero before turning villain and that added more weight to his decision to go dark side.
Even though there was a great set up for such a scenario with the scene between Han and Leia, probably my favorite scene in the whole movie, I didn't feel the impact of Han's death. I can't say it was bad acting or anything on either actors' part. Something was lacking. Maybe if Adam Driver had been a little more like Commodus in Gladiator when in how he berated/pleaded (?) with his father right before killing him.
But I certainly wouldn't have minded if we had seen more of Ben's relationship with his parents. It definitely would've made his turn more heartbreaking. Even though I don't think Legacy of the Force quite pulled off Darth Caedus, still he was a character that had quite a bit of a backstory so we saw him as a hero before turning villain and that added more weight to his decision to go dark side.
Han always had something of a compassionate side to him, always surfacing when Luke or Leia are involved. I can buy him having some blinding compassion for a rogue son, & when you think about it, he'd not think dying in this way was meaningless, & probably knew very well that it could come to that. If you had a child on the way to becoming Hitler, & there was a chance you could reach him, by standing in the way, even if that didn't work out for you, it would still be a worthwhile way to offer your life
I'm fairly certain the impact it'll have on Ren will hardly be insignificant. He still has one parent out there, & the light side of the Force flows through her. If the fight with Rey was any indicator, Ren still has the need to drive himself into the dark side, by inflicting pain on himself (Hence the punching himself in his blaster wound) It's clear to me that from that we can assume he still has forces pulling him to the light, despite the mistaken notion that killing his father would be the last thing to drive him into darkness
I'm fairly certain the impact it'll have on Ren will hardly be insignificant. He still has one parent out there, & the light side of the Force flows through her. If the fight with Rey was any indicator, Ren still has the need to drive himself into the dark side, by inflicting pain on himself (Hence the punching himself in his blaster wound) It's clear to me that from that we can assume he still has forces pulling him to the light, despite the mistaken notion that killing his father would be the last thing to drive him into darkness
For me it wasn't. He's a father. Parents will do anything for their kids. The thing they want most in the world is for their kids to be happy. In that moment, his son reached out to him and Han responded as a father - he wanted to help. To me that is an adult, mature response from a character who's not really known for that. I thought it was satisfying. More satisfying for me at least than if he had taken a blaster in the back or something similar during one of his escapades. I thought it was a poignant moment that rounded out his character.
Holy shit!! Well-observed, my friend! Man, that screenplay is even better than I realized.
Of course, Han's character arc here in this film is utterly genius. Brilliantly written and acted. Even better, it will make viewing of the original trilogy even more compelling, watching the beginning and knowing the ending of Han's arc.
I will just say that the Han death scene is the second-best scene in the entire Star Wars franchise, in terms of emotional weight, thematic resonance, perfect scripting. The best is, of course, Darth Vadar's redemption scene, but this one comes a very close second. Tragic and beautiful.
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