The First Trailer

[saddestmoon]

Afternoon all!

Just saw the trailer: I quite liked it!

Looks like a good ole' fashioned space romp if ever there was one!

It didn't give much away, IMO - so I'm hankering to see what the next trailer gives us!

Huzzah!

 

[Amaris]

Wow -- I must admit I never noticed the picture of the TOS Enterprise in Kirk's fantasy cabin. But then again, I really tried hard to forget that movie.

"It's like being inside Joy."

 

[Taylirious]

Karl Urban for the win! The more I watch it the more he saves this trailer.

 

[Maurice]

...But I will not swallow the Kool Aid either.

Okay. How, how about a nice Hawaiian Punch?

I may have missed it upthread, but has anyone read the Collider interview with Lin? (DISCUSSED HERE)

 

[Cyrus]

Loved the trailer
didn't care for the music
The McCoy/Spock scene is great
Interesting that the writers of the first script (Orci, etc) are getting credit.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Wow -- I must admit I never noticed the picture of the TOS Enterprise in Kirk's fantasy cabin. But then again, I really tried hard to forget that movie.

He's also got a Jem'Hadar rifle.



Which means in STVI, they actually did vaporize the real Kirk, and the Kirk in the Nexus was Martia the shapeshifter the whole time, who turned out to be one of the 100 Changelings sent to scout the Alpha Quadrant, like Odo.

(I can already feel someone even nerdier than I typing up a strongly worded rebuttal, so just to clarify, I'm not serious. Yes, I know the cabin scene was set before Kirk returned to Starfleet in TWoK, and I know the Jem'Hadar rifle was just a stock gun used dozens of times for different species, and I know Martia was a Chameloid and not a Founder)

 

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[fireproof78]

Wow -- I must admit I never noticed the picture of the TOS Enterprise in Kirk's fantasy cabin. But then again, I really tried hard to forget that movie.

He's also got a Jem'Hadar rifle.



Which means in STVI, they actually did vaporize the real Kirk, and the Kirk in the Nexus was Martia the shapeshifter the whole time, who turned out to be one of the 100 Changelings sent to scout the Alpha Quadrant, like Odo.

(I can already feel someone even nerdier than I typing up a strongly worded rebuttal, so just to clarify, I'm not serious. Yes, I know the cabin scene was set before Kirk returned to Starfleet in TWoK, and I know the Jem'Hadar rifle was just a stock gun used dozens of times for different species, and I know Martia was a Chameloid and not a Founder)

I always thought that Martia was a Chameloid, who were like the Founders but decided to leave after the whole Dominion thing. They didn't like being overlords, and worked to become more subtle and manipulative of the space/time continuum.

Martia decided to take Kirk's place and transported him away so that he could be preserved (that's why he comes back in the novels). Martia/Kirk survives and ensures that Kirk's role at Khitomer continues as it was supposed to be.

When he was taken to the Nexus, Martia actually traveled in an out to observe the Founders and determine their weaknesses. She picked up the gun at that point to experiment with, only to get in a time loop where she ended up back on the ENT-B and then back to the Nexus. At that point, she got trapped, until Picard showed up.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

Where would the gas come from, and the tires and battery? We know it's gas powered because of the sound the engine makes.

Why would you assume those things aren't already on the motorcycle?

Oh, I do. But we are talking about 200 years here (23rd century). Tire rubber disintegrates, as do gaskets and other parts. If you have ever owned a motorcycle, this question answers itself. Not to mention the gasoline issue. Why would it even be acceptable cargo on a starship?

To go on about old vehicles, the thing that got me about the 'Vette in the 2009 movie was not that it shouldn't have been in the movie, it was that it was a 1965 'Vette in 2258! It should have been a 2009 'Vette as an antique in the 2250's, with a promotion arranged by Paramount and Chevrolet to promote the 2009 'Vette as shown in the movie similar to the promotion (if there was any) with the Camaro in the first Transformers movie.

I've stopped going to the theater about 10 years ago when I capitulated that in the war of style vs substance, style has won this generation. It's not even like a battle or balancing act anymore.

Every time the new Trek movie reiterated, I expected and wasn't disappointed that it went further and further into modern action film save-the-cat plot blandness. I only spent a buck or buck-fifty at redbox, why would I give a shit?

Enjoy the fucking decline, where every movie is just like the previous one written for and by 13 year olds, or by those with that mentality. I suppose modern cinema has an illusion of infinite diversity in infinite combinations.... and yet it all tastes the same after you've seen a handful.

(BTW, I think trek movies on the whole are unmemorable slop so this isn't nostalgia.)

One question must be asked of you, O' connoisseur of cinema; do you watch ANY foreign films or domestic independent ones?

 

[WoTe]

Pity. 'Moon', 'Snowpiercer' and 'Ex Machina' were great at the cinema. They're not 'big' movies, but it just added a lot to the atmosphere. Though showings of the last two were absolute fuckers to find.

Then there's the well-recieved blockbusters like Mad Max, Instersteller, Inception, Gravity...

Yes, those are good movies.... I might not like all of them personally, but they have an undeniable quality to them. I'll even add Edge of Tommorrow even though I would never have thought of a recent Tom Cruise film as any good (the Japanese source as usual has been hollywoodized a bit in transition).

But I'm talking about the Super Hero action flick the last fifteen years.

Just like mid 90s-early 2000s was in grip of the bland Apocalypse flick where one seemed to be just like the other and all following the Roland Emmerich formula.

Since then, it seems the fad has been Marvel and DC pimping its IP. Maybe because the CGI can finally fulfill it to full potential. None the less, despite Iron Man being decent, I haven't anticipated any superhero flick since the Nolan Batman trilogy finished.

It's not that superhero flicks are inherently bad, but first few successful ones set the tone of what they HAVE TO BE like - at least in the minds of studios. And then that's nearly all you get for a long while.

You can recognize when the shit hits the fan when the sequel numbers ratchet up and quick (Fast and Furious director on this, need I say more?) Long a stapel of b-grade horror movies since the 70s-80s who continue doing this.

For all the daring and action these films display, the studios making them are extremely risk averse, fearful of touching the formula a bit. In the 50s and early 60s, this didn't manifest in sequels, but in extremely predictable by-the-numbers genre pieces that spooned the same junk weekend in and out until the modern film came out I'm guessing 1960s. Some people refer to this as zeitgeist, although I don't believe that's accurate.

 

[WoTe]

One question must be asked of you, O' connoisseur of cinema; do you watch ANY foreign films or domestic independent ones?

Yes, my favorite film is Låt den rätte komma in, which I saw way before the hollywood version existed. Hollywood sodomized it later on.

 

[Tim Thomason]

He's also got a Jem'Hadar rifle.



(I can already feel someone even nerdier than I typing up a strongly worded rebuttal, so just to clarify, I'm not serious. Yes, I know the cabin scene was set before Kirk returned to Starfleet in TWoK, and I know the Jem'Hadar rifle was just a stock gun used dozens of times for different species)

I always like connecting reused props when I can, and this reused Jem'Hadar plasma rifle has piqued my interest. EAS has six disparate appearances mentioned (Hunter, Nol-Ennis, Kellerun, Albino, Jem'Hadar, and Kirk). Now, it's logical to assume that the three Gamma Quadrant cultures all received their rifles from the same source (likely trade with the Dominion or Dominion-affiliated cultures). But, Kirk in 2284, the Kellerun, and the Albino's guards are unexplained. It's a tight squeeze, but the Kellerun and the Albino could be trading for weapons with the Gamma Quadrant after the events of "Rules of Acquisition".

That means Kirk is the ultimate odd one out. Perhaps a sort-of vague spice trade existed that shipped out Dominion weapons through various cultures and places all the way to Federation space (at least in Kirk's time). The Dominion are an ancient civilization, so it seems likely that the Jem'Hadar plasma rifle has been little-changed for centuries. Or maybe this is how the Kellerun got their first plasma weapons (which they managed to make more of), and Kirk's is just showing off that he's had dealings with the Kellerun (who also may have traded with the Albino).

I was more worried about that publicity photo in the lower left corner. It took me a minute to find it (see here) and confirm that it's from Star Trek VI. It's a good thing Sulu's Captain pin is too blurry to reveal that he's wearing the wrong rank.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

They Broke The ENTERPRISE !!!!

Again...

Have you seen the original movies they break the Enterprise in nearly every movie.

Starfleet probably has the whole nation of Finland employed just to rebuild her every time she is wrecked..

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Well, having just watched the trailer for "Star Trek: Fast & Beyond Furious" all I can say is .... uhm.... motorcycles? Really? WTF??

What is the deal with the motorcycle? Have they outlawed the wheel in the future? I had the same "what the fuck?" reaction to people criticizing the Argo in Nemesis.

Assuming the motorcycle uses the standard Earth engine of the 20th century, I doubt there would be any petrol around in the time period in which Star Trek is set, something no one seemed to point out when Pine was riding a bike in Star Trek 2009.

Kirk's bike in the 2009 movie was electric.

 

[Amaris]

What is the deal with the motorcycle? Have they outlawed the wheel in the future? I had the same "what the fuck?" reaction to people criticizing the Argo in Nemesis.

Assuming the motorcycle uses the standard Earth engine of the 20th century, I doubt there would be any petrol around in the time period in which Star Trek is set, something no one seemed to point out when Pine was riding a bike in Star Trek 2009.

Kirk's bike in the 2009 movie was electric.

Indeed, it does seem electric:

Video:

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6leSXdI_j4[/yt]

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Assuming the motorcycle uses the standard Earth engine of the 20th century, I doubt there would be any petrol around in the time period in which Star Trek is set, something no one seemed to point out when Pine was riding a bike in Star Trek 2009.

Kirk's bike in the 2009 movie was electric.

Indeed, it does seem electric:

Video:

Cool clip.

Hey does anyone know what the ship was that was under construction above the gantry where Kirk boards his shuttle?

There's a few scenes in the movie showing you the lower secondary hull and part of the saucer, and it looks very Enterprise shaped..

 

[M'Sharak]

Hey does anyone know what the ship was that was under construction above the gantry where Kirk boards his shuttle?

There's a few scenes in the movie showing you the lower secondary hull and part of the saucer, and it looks very Enterprise shaped..

It is the Enterprise. You get a glimpse of the registry number as the shuttle is taking off.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

Shit, in the grand scheme of things, this is nothing. Remember when Ron Moore's Battlestar Galactica raped the childhoods of an entire generation of fans? Remember Languatron and his high-literature published on Amazon speaking of a Grand Conspiracy between Universal and RDM to shut out Glen Larson? The screaming, histrionics and gnashing of teeth was a thing to behold - went full-on up to "eleven". We're only at a low-"five" boil right now.

The passion just isn't there any more.

Speak of the devil....he's still at it!

 

[daveanator]

I think the second trailer will be better hopefully

 

[JRS]

I liked the trailer myself, my initial feelings about the movie are positive, even though you cant tell too much about the plot yet.
It is nice that we get to see more new species and locations/planets this time around. Also nice to see that the enemy ships( or drones) are small but very deadly. I think a "huge dark enemy ship" would have been tiresome at this point.

Seems that Enterprise is getting its ass kicked again.
I just hope we are seeing her shooting back at least some before it (apparently) goes down.

I have feeling this will be a good movie, but wont judge it until I actually see it. But I am getting good vibes though. It seems also we are getting something more original this time around, not just copying Wrath of Khan( that was one the more negative things in the previous movie).

I hope we do not have to wait too long the second trailer , cause I do want to know more about the plot and all that..