Precisely. Money did. Star Trek was not a cheap show to produce. Contrary to popular belief, it really was not a ratings winner.
The First Trailer
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Precisely. Money did. Star Trek was not a cheap show to produce. Contrary to popular belief, it really was not a ratings winner.
Yes, the budget stopped him.
I'll just cut and paste your two posts right here:
"They never allowed him to show the saucer section landing on a planet" "because they couldn't pay for the effects needed to land the ship week after week."
Didn't PrimeKirk have a whole heap of antique guns in TWOK? I thought they were on the wall in his apartment.
You'd think a bunch of flintlock pistols would be harder to find or create than a motorcycle or a car. Especially when we can make kit cars for the hell of it now. Then there's those super-delicate spectacles that managed to survive WW3.
You'd think a bunch of flintlock pistols would be harder to find or create than a motorcycle or a car. Especially when we can make kit cars for the hell of it now. Then there's those super-delicate spectacles that managed to survive WW3.
Lol, who do you think determines the budget?
I like the trailer opening with music. It got my attention right away. I really enjoyed the trailer. BUT I fear what's happening with Abrams producing and a Fast and Furious director directing. Fast and Furious is a fun action technology thriller but at times you need to turn off the "physics check" in your brain to make the stunts work. (Take FF7 scene when Vin dives out of the car to save his GF. The ballistics archs don't match with what he did.)
So I'm worried that adding Justin Lin takes us even further in a direction that will turn Trek into a "feel good" science fiction for the scientifically illiterate. I'm happy to be wrong and that they won't let "what looks cool" trump "what's technically feasible." Otherwise we'll just end up with Pirates of the Caribbean and we won't even get the charms of Johnny Depp.
I and some Trekkies put together an article about what Abrams has done with Trek and what we think he'll do to Star Wars. We finish with a poll to see if Star Wars will be better served by the Abrams/Disney combo or not.
Cheers,
==>Lancer---
So I'm worried that adding Justin Lin takes us even further in a direction that will turn Trek into a "feel good" science fiction for the scientifically illiterate. I'm happy to be wrong and that they won't let "what looks cool" trump "what's technically feasible." Otherwise we'll just end up with Pirates of the Caribbean and we won't even get the charms of Johnny Depp.
I and some Trekkies put together an article about what Abrams has done with Trek and what we think he'll do to Star Wars. We finish with a poll to see if Star Wars will be better served by the Abrams/Disney combo or not.
Cheers,
==>Lancer---
HUH? So many truly adversarial people here! If you were watching Star Trek TOS when it was on the air as a new show in 1966, then I salute you as another old guy fan! If you weren't then you werent. You are still a fan. Smartness has absolutely nothing to do with my comments or this discussion. Sheez!!!!!
But that money is given to the Executive Producer to use to make the show. Roddenberry could have moved money around to show the saucer landing.
If he had wanted to.
Let's just say the fanbase hasn't been kind to Star Trek lately.
And when they ran out of money for the rest of the episode that twenty minute silent stare-off between Spock and McCoy to fill the time would have been epic.
Okay, enough.
Everyone take five.
When this thread re-opens, there will be no further discussion of other fans. There will be no further posturing about having been watching the show since 1966 on NBC; you're far from being alone in that regard, Overmind One, so the qualification is meaningless.
Everyone here is a Trek fan. Talk to other fans about the trailer, about the movies, about the TV series.
Different fans will have differing opinions. Let them.
Don't talk down to anyone who may hold an opinion which does not agree with yours.
Now... ready?
Well since this about the trailer...
It definitely felt Guardians of the Galaxy. I don't think that's a bad thing in and of itself, and it's certainly nothing new to the franchise to follow the leader. I would have preferred one of Giacchino's pieces to the Beastie Boys, but I think Sabotage worked well enough. In fact listening to the whole song, it's a lot more clever than it appears on first glance. "what you see you might not get" indeed!
On the whole though the structure of the trailer was pretty generic. Which I can't really blame Lin, or anyone involved for. A lot of trailers these days have been utter garbage, especially for big summer blockbusters.
Favorite part is definitely Bones and Spock. I'm really glad as it looks like the two will be paired up after the Enterprise crashes for a little bit, should be some excellent banter there.
Least favorite was Scotty slipping off the rock. Looked really cheesy, and I don't think we really needed another callback to the 'vette scene.
If I had to guess I'd say the movie goes something like this.
-Enterprise enters the system, we get some backstory on how the five year mission has gone thus far. A little bit after that the Enterprise is attacked and destroyed, and what we see her looking up at is the saucer section crashing.
-Scotty being off on his own probably runs in Sofia's alien lady first, and she shows him the ship giving him an out to not really be in the first parts of the movie while he repairs it.
-Kirk and Chekov land near each other and meet up with alien blueshirt lady and they go to the wreck of the Enterprise where our bad guys are sniffing around. I think this might be the part where we see blueshirt lady looking up as the alien's bigger bad ship than the drones shows up and she's killed. Kirk and Chekov have a little running battle through the remains of the saucer, only for Sofia's alien to rescue them. This is also probably where Kirk gets his motorcycle. It looks kinda like the one he had in the 09 movie with no rims, but it's probably not that one since he gave it away IIRC.
-Spock and Bones are wandering around the quarry set trying to stay a step ahead of the alien bad guys. Witty banter is had, but eventually they're cornered when Scotty finally gets the old ship (Franklin from what everyone's saying) working and beams them aboard.
-Uhura and Sulu are with the rest of the Enterprise survivors who are being gathered and probably having horrible things done to them. It's interesting as it puts them into a position of having to be the leaders for the crew with the big names that we usually see Spock or Kirk being the inspiring leader ones. whereas they're usually more in the background.
-Kirk, Chekov, and Sofialien are told by Scotty that some thingamajig or another needs to be destroyed to get the crew back. They get some kind of one time beaming thing that they can use to get in and out if they're in trouble which Kirk uses to rescue Sofialien leaving Chekov alone (possibly with Sulu and Uhura) to take down the thingamajig and let the crew be rescued.
-With all the survivors aboard they takeoff in the Franklin and head for the nearest Federation world. The scene of the Franklin taking off might also be where see blue shirt alien lady looking up. Maybe they're thinking that the Yorktown is nearby and obviously they need to be going somewhere with a ship and a crew that can fight back. But they're being chased by the evil alien fellas and crash into Planet Dubai.
-A big fight ensues, and the bad guys are beaten...somehow. Sofialien probably dies at some point, and I'm going to go out and a limb and say that we're not going to see a new Enterprise at the end of the movie. I'm actually going to move further out on that limb and into absolutely nuts WILLNEVERHAPPEN territory and say that the Yorktown without renaming will be our Nuship on the basis that it was the name for the Enterprise for the very first draft. I really don't see them renaming the ship to Enterprise after building a memorial to the crew (assuming that's the order it happens in obviously), it'd probably seem like a slap in the face to the survivors. Almost certainly won't happen, but where's the fun in speculating if you don't SPECULATE WILDLY?
All in all I'm pretty pumped for the movie. While the trailer didn't thrill me, nothing I've seen really worries me, and a lot of the little details really excite me.
The new uniforms seem alright, but the ones being worn by the Yorktown people seem like the coolest. Spock's Franklin is interesting as it looks almost like a step between ENT and TOS. I expect the Franklin will have a very heavy TOS look to her, but I don't think she'll look like the original Connie since that would be...well awkward to have on a planet. Actually remembering some of those fan photos from Iceland like this looked pretty awesome so forget what I just said.
I really hope planet Dubai is actually planet Dubai and not Earth. From the production stuff we've seen it looked like there were a lot of alien plants in the place, which obviously doesn't rule out Earth in the vast multi-species democracy that is the Federation, but I don't think they'd add those if they wanted us to identify the planet as the one we live on.
I really like all the scenery we've seen so far, if anything else the movie is going to look gorgeous. We only got snippets of it, but the crashed Enterprise saucer should be amazing to see in IMAX.
As for the motorcylce...ehh. I can see where the criticism is coming from. CHRIS PRATT WAS IN GOTG AND HE RODE A MOTORCYCLE IN THAT OTHER POPULAR MOVIE. On the other hand, Kirk's had one before and honestly it's the kind of vehicle that fits with the character. I don't get the criticism of it being from the 20th/21st century at all. We had Shatner Kirk going around the bridge of the Enterprise with reading glasses when SPACE MEDICINE should mean he doesn't need those right? In both cases they're fine as they help to establish the character. The glasses in TWOK fit with the theme of Kirk being older, and certainly not in his prime, up against a superhuman genius. Whereas the motorcycle fits with him being the youthful, still reckless, captain of TOS. The kind of guy who'll build a cannon out of some bamboo and talk computers to death. I'd prefer it if it weren't the movie at all, but it's certainly something they think is going to resonate with audiences, it fits with the character, and...well I don't really think they need more than that.
Kinda sad to see the NuConnie Enterprise go, I love the design. Hopefully she'll get to destroy a bigger alien bad guy ship before the little ones attack her. And hopefully we'll see it again, and often.
It definitely felt Guardians of the Galaxy. I don't think that's a bad thing in and of itself, and it's certainly nothing new to the franchise to follow the leader. I would have preferred one of Giacchino's pieces to the Beastie Boys, but I think Sabotage worked well enough. In fact listening to the whole song, it's a lot more clever than it appears on first glance. "what you see you might not get" indeed!
On the whole though the structure of the trailer was pretty generic. Which I can't really blame Lin, or anyone involved for. A lot of trailers these days have been utter garbage, especially for big summer blockbusters.
Favorite part is definitely Bones and Spock. I'm really glad as it looks like the two will be paired up after the Enterprise crashes for a little bit, should be some excellent banter there.
Least favorite was Scotty slipping off the rock. Looked really cheesy, and I don't think we really needed another callback to the 'vette scene.
If I had to guess I'd say the movie goes something like this.
-Enterprise enters the system, we get some backstory on how the five year mission has gone thus far. A little bit after that the Enterprise is attacked and destroyed, and what we see her looking up at is the saucer section crashing.
-Scotty being off on his own probably runs in Sofia's alien lady first, and she shows him the ship giving him an out to not really be in the first parts of the movie while he repairs it.
-Kirk and Chekov land near each other and meet up with alien blueshirt lady and they go to the wreck of the Enterprise where our bad guys are sniffing around. I think this might be the part where we see blueshirt lady looking up as the alien's bigger bad ship than the drones shows up and she's killed. Kirk and Chekov have a little running battle through the remains of the saucer, only for Sofia's alien to rescue them. This is also probably where Kirk gets his motorcycle. It looks kinda like the one he had in the 09 movie with no rims, but it's probably not that one since he gave it away IIRC.
-Spock and Bones are wandering around the quarry set trying to stay a step ahead of the alien bad guys. Witty banter is had, but eventually they're cornered when Scotty finally gets the old ship (Franklin from what everyone's saying) working and beams them aboard.
-Uhura and Sulu are with the rest of the Enterprise survivors who are being gathered and probably having horrible things done to them. It's interesting as it puts them into a position of having to be the leaders for the crew with the big names that we usually see Spock or Kirk being the inspiring leader ones. whereas they're usually more in the background.
-Kirk, Chekov, and Sofialien are told by Scotty that some thingamajig or another needs to be destroyed to get the crew back. They get some kind of one time beaming thing that they can use to get in and out if they're in trouble which Kirk uses to rescue Sofialien leaving Chekov alone (possibly with Sulu and Uhura) to take down the thingamajig and let the crew be rescued.
-With all the survivors aboard they takeoff in the Franklin and head for the nearest Federation world. The scene of the Franklin taking off might also be where see blue shirt alien lady looking up. Maybe they're thinking that the Yorktown is nearby and obviously they need to be going somewhere with a ship and a crew that can fight back. But they're being chased by the evil alien fellas and crash into Planet Dubai.
-A big fight ensues, and the bad guys are beaten...somehow. Sofialien probably dies at some point, and I'm going to go out and a limb and say that we're not going to see a new Enterprise at the end of the movie. I'm actually going to move further out on that limb and into absolutely nuts WILLNEVERHAPPEN territory and say that the Yorktown without renaming will be our Nuship on the basis that it was the name for the Enterprise for the very first draft. I really don't see them renaming the ship to Enterprise after building a memorial to the crew (assuming that's the order it happens in obviously), it'd probably seem like a slap in the face to the survivors. Almost certainly won't happen, but where's the fun in speculating if you don't SPECULATE WILDLY?
All in all I'm pretty pumped for the movie. While the trailer didn't thrill me, nothing I've seen really worries me, and a lot of the little details really excite me.
The new uniforms seem alright, but the ones being worn by the Yorktown people seem like the coolest. Spock's Franklin is interesting as it looks almost like a step between ENT and TOS. I expect the Franklin will have a very heavy TOS look to her, but I don't think she'll look like the original Connie since that would be...well awkward to have on a planet. Actually remembering some of those fan photos from Iceland like this looked pretty awesome so forget what I just said.
I really hope planet Dubai is actually planet Dubai and not Earth. From the production stuff we've seen it looked like there were a lot of alien plants in the place, which obviously doesn't rule out Earth in the vast multi-species democracy that is the Federation, but I don't think they'd add those if they wanted us to identify the planet as the one we live on.
I really like all the scenery we've seen so far, if anything else the movie is going to look gorgeous. We only got snippets of it, but the crashed Enterprise saucer should be amazing to see in IMAX.
As for the motorcylce...ehh. I can see where the criticism is coming from. CHRIS PRATT WAS IN GOTG AND HE RODE A MOTORCYCLE IN THAT OTHER POPULAR MOVIE. On the other hand, Kirk's had one before and honestly it's the kind of vehicle that fits with the character. I don't get the criticism of it being from the 20th/21st century at all. We had Shatner Kirk going around the bridge of the Enterprise with reading glasses when SPACE MEDICINE should mean he doesn't need those right? In both cases they're fine as they help to establish the character. The glasses in TWOK fit with the theme of Kirk being older, and certainly not in his prime, up against a superhuman genius. Whereas the motorcycle fits with him being the youthful, still reckless, captain of TOS. The kind of guy who'll build a cannon out of some bamboo and talk computers to death. I'd prefer it if it weren't the movie at all, but it's certainly something they think is going to resonate with audiences, it fits with the character, and...well I don't really think they need more than that.
Kinda sad to see the NuConnie Enterprise go, I love the design. Hopefully she'll get to destroy a bigger alien bad guy ship before the little ones attack her. And hopefully we'll see it again, and often.
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These people travel faster than light and can make a ribeye out of pure energy. Pretty sure they could rebuild a carburetor.
As far as why it would be acceptable? Captain's prerogative.
I've seen the trailer a few times and I still can't get past how "loud" it is, but there were things I liked the second time, such as the scene with Spock and McCoy and Spock gets beamed back up and McCoy goes "Typical". Also, this film does do what I've wanted Trek to do since Into Darkness, give us new alien races (Even though these aliens look very Farscape-ish) and I don't mind if it's a comedy. For a 90 second trailer, it's actually not that bad. I'm thinking we will get a more "serious" one closer to the date of release and I'm very fine with that. Besides, I think this trailer will look good in the XD showing of Star Wars I'm going to. We're getting so many big movies next year it will be a cornicopia of riches.
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