"Hell Bent" Grade and discussion thread

[publiusr]

The difference between the outer & inner doors is more likely a function of the desktop theme, since it has changed.

In the Hartnell era, there was no "foyer", you could see straight outside. Not sure about the Troughton era.

I wanna say Tom Baker's Victorian auxiliary control room exited into the foyer.

Capaldi's Tardis sort of points to that--with shelves--but is also high tech--with good console work

I rather liked the foyer myself.

In terms of design, there are some tricks done via optical illusion (Brain Games and others) that a set designer might use--like some of the spook houses in the US:
https://skepticalteacher.wordpress....ation-of-the-montana-vortex-house-of-mystery/

Might be nice touch to a Tardis set.

 

[DWF]

While I didn't like the continued use of Me, I do have to say that Masie Williams did a fanastic job of taking her from a young fairly simple girl in to a mature complex adult. But she was still overused IMO.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

The difference between the outer & inner doors is more likely a function of the desktop theme, since it has changed.

In the Hartnell era, there was no "foyer", you could see straight outside. Not sure about the Troughton era.

I wanna say Tom Baker's Victorian auxiliary control room exited into the foyer.

Capaldi's Tardis sort of points to that--with shelves--but is also high tech--with good console work

I rather liked the foyer myself.

In terms of design, there are some tricks done via optical illusion (Brain Games and others) that a set designer might use--like some of the spook houses in the US:
https://skepticalteacher.wordpress....ation-of-the-montana-vortex-house-of-mystery/

Might be nice touch to a Tardis set.

O M G....

Wow you can sell stupid and make money out of it.

 

[Kruezerman]

It was a great episode. Moffat needs to learn how to make taut, concise arcs though. Gallifrey was wasted here, so was the Silence, so was River and the Hybrid. It's like TNG, episodic over serials. Which would be fine if this was the 90s, but it's not. People expect stories now; ones they can actually follow.

 

[RoJoHen]

I loved the portrayal of Gallifrey. It brought them back without making them overly important, and I think that's the point. Their time is done. They ruled over the universe for so long and eventually plunged it into chaos. The universe has been better off with them gone, and gone is where they should stay.

 

[The Wormhole]

While I didn't like the continued use of Me, I do have to say that Masie Williams did a fanastic job of taking her from a young fairly simple girl in to a mature complex adult. But she was still overused IMO.

"Overused?" While I can understand people not liking her, overused is an odd term considering she basically has a minor supporting role in Face the Raven and Hell Bent. She doesn't even show up in Hell Bent until halfway through and is largely forgotten despite standing right there in the console room while the Doctor and Clara are delivering their monologues to each other.

It was a great episode. Moffat needs to learn how to make taut, concise arcs though. Gallifrey was wasted here, so was the Silence, so was River and the Hybrid. It's like TNG, episodic over serials. Which would be fine if this was the 90s, but it's not. People expect stories now; ones they can actually follow.

While I agree Moffat certainly needs to do a better job structuring the season, a season long story arc isn't necessarily the solution. The approach actually isn't that bad, the problem is he basically tells the same story year after year. The Doctor must face his darkest secret connected to his origins of which we learn nothing at all about.

 

[DWF]

While I didn't like the continued use of Me, I do have to say that Masie Williams did a fanastic job of taking her from a young fairly simple girl in to a mature complex adult. But she was still overused IMO.

"Overused?" While I can understand people not liking her, overused is an odd term considering she basically has a minor supporting role in Face the Raven and Hell Bent. She doesn't even show up in Hell Bent until halfway through and is largely forgotten despite standing right there in the console room while the Doctor and Clara are delivering their monologues to each other.

I'd hardly call her part in Face the Raven minor, but she's meant to have been keeping an eye on the Doctor so she even appears in a cell phone picture. And of course of all the peole to show up at "the end of time" is her waiting for the Doctor to show up.

 

[RoJoHen]

And of course of all the peole to show up at "the end of time" is her waiting for the Doctor to show up.

Of course it was. You don't create an immortal character and then have her not be there at the end.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

And of course of all the peole to show up at "the end of time" is her waiting for the Doctor to show up.

Of course it was. You don't create an immortal character and then have her not be there at the end.

Jack Harkness would like a word with you.
Though, if Jack really is the Face of Boe, he was not eternal.

Maybe there should be a distinction between immortal and eternal.

How Ashildr managed to not get her destructible body damaged beyond repair is a big miracle, though.
Unless in all the time she had, she somehow found a way to remedy her vulnerabilities.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Maybe that wasn't a 4 billion year old Ashildr. Why would she be wearing those clothes after 4 billion years?

An older version of Ashildr gives a younger version of Ashildr a TARDIS, then travels to the future to get the TARDIS to give to herself, after she has two of them for herself.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

And of course of all the peole to show up at "the end of time" is her waiting for the Doctor to show up.

Of course it was. You don't create an immortal character and then have her not be there at the end.

Jack Harkness would like a word with you.
Though, if Jack really is the Face of Boe, he was not eternal.

Maybe there should be a distinction between immortal and eternal.

How Ashildr managed to not get her destructible body damaged beyond repair is a big miracle, though.
Unless in all the time she had, she somehow found a way to remedy her vulnerabilities.

The thing with Jack really bugs me.

I thought Rose made him properly immortal by using that time vortex energy.. So maybe not proper immortal after all if he is indeed the face of Boe

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Of course it was. You don't create an immortal character and then have her not be there at the end.

Jack Harkness would like a word with you.
Though, if Jack really is the Face of Boe, he was not eternal.

Maybe there should be a distinction between immortal and eternal.

How Ashildr managed to not get her destructible body damaged beyond repair is a big miracle, though.
Unless in all the time she had, she somehow found a way to remedy her vulnerabilities.

The thing with Jack really bugs me.

I thought Rose made him properly immortal by using that time vortex energy.. So maybe not proper immortal after all if he is indeed the face of Boe

Maybe even channeled Time Vortex energy will diminish over a million years.

 

[The Wormhole]

How Ashildr managed to not get her destructible body damaged beyond repair is a big miracle, though.
Unless in all the time she had, she somehow found a way to remedy her vulnerabilities.

More to the point, while that chip can heal most wounds and prevent her from aging, the chip itself is not indestructible. It can not repair itself, and one would think over time it would wear down and eventually stop functioning, and that's assuming Ashildr never received an injury beyond the chip's abilities or the chip itself was never damaged.

Otherwise, if the chip really is an eternally lasting immortality bringer, one wonders why the Mire aren't the dominant race in the universe. They're should be literally unstoppable.

 

[Trekkin]

Because the Doctor Who universe has Daleks in it?

The Mire didn't seem keen on being crushed, eaten or blown up. The chips are probably very useful in man-to-man combat, but not so fantastic when the skirmish involves a whole bunch of ships shooting each other to pieces in a vacuum. Even if they don't die, the resulting fate probably wouldn't be pleasant.

 

[Starkers]

The chip was just part of the medical kit until the Doctor tinkered around with it, so one presumes it didn't remotely work on the Mire like it worked on Ashildr

 

[The Wormhole]

I thought all the Doctor did was make it compatible with humans?

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

He made the memory wiper "compatible with humans".

 

[Ithekro]

It is probably what they used on Jamie and Zoe back when they were going to exile the Doctor to Earth (and force him into regenerating into the Third Doctor).

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I thought all the Doctor did was make it compatible with humans?

He made the memory wiper "compatible with humans".

I thought he specifically asked for a human compatible one to be brought into the extraction chamber..

 

[RoJoHen]

I thought all the Doctor did was make it compatible with humans?

He made the memory wiper "compatible with humans".

I thought he specifically asked for a human compatible one to be brought into the extraction chamber..

He asked for it -- well, no, he DEMANDED it -- as they were leaving the extraction chamber, just after he shot and killed the General.