"Hell Bent" Grade and discussion thread

[Mark_Nguyen]

Well, they began their final talk without the usual "I don't remember Ashildr" schtick, and she seemed to be there specifically to ask the Doctor about the whole Hybrid thing. That certainly suggests to me that Me hadn't gotten to that point the long way around.

Mark

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Or it's the same diner and they forgot what side of the road they were on the "first" time.

Or it was a TARDIS both times, and it moved to the other side of the hill.

Exactly why I quoted "first" . Only, was this the first time it was there, or was that in The Impossible Astronaut?

 

[Mr Light]

I gotta say, I just watched "Hell Bent" a second time and it flowed much better this time around. I didn't spend the second half of the episode saying 'what about the Time Lords?' to myself over and over, and the farewell to Clara was really sweet and tragic, knowing that the Clara in the diner knew who he was but he didn't know who she was.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Oooh oooh was the hill where the lake was that the Doctor got shot? Was this the same diner where 11 "died?"

 

[The Wormhole]

Oooh oooh was the hill where the lake was that the Doctor got shot? Was this the same diner where 11 "died?"

Well, a copy of it, anyway. Most likely the diner seen in The Impossible Astronaut is the real one which Clara copied for her TARDIS's chameleon circuit.

But yes, the two did use the same filming location, which is in fact a real diner just outside Cardiff.

 

[Guy Gardener]

If there was a real diner it'd still be across the road where it used to be.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Oooh oooh was the hill where the lake was that the Doctor got shot? Was this the same diner where 11 "died?"

Well, a copy of it, anyway. Most likely the diner seen in The Impossible Astronaut is the real one which Clara copied for her TARDIS's chameleon circuit.

But yes, the two did use the same filming location, which is in fact a real diner just outside Cardiff.

Cool........... Fun fact thanks.

BTW since it's "supposed" to be in the USA I wonder if they had walked up the hill to the lake if they had circled back far enough in time would they have seen the Doctor being shot?

I do remember at the time there was all kinds of crazy talk about a TARDIS on the hill overlooking the lake..

 

[sttngfan1701d]

I'm an idiot. I just now realized that the Doctor's "goodbye" to Clara meant that he figured that she would end up taking that TARDIS and travel like him.

"Run like hell because you always need to. Laugh at everything because it's always funny. Never be cruel and never be cowardly, and if you ever are, always make amends."

 

[DS9Continuing]

If there was a real diner it'd still be across the road where it used to be.

The weirdness is that it's not just 'across the road' - it's in a whole other state. The events of "Impossible Astronaut" were in Utah, this is clearly said to be in Nevada.

I was going to say maybe there never was a real diner in the first place - maybe it was always Clara's Tardis. Maybe she inserted herself retroactively into the Doctor's timeline to give him and River and Amy and Rory a place to meet when they needed it.

But then I realised that would not be likely because we saw the outside of Eleven's Tardis through the back door, meaning the Tardis has materialized inside the diner. If the diner were itself a Tardis, that would mean one Tardis had materialized inside another. I know that has happened, but only on extremely rare occasions and always it's been referred to as some kind of massive screw-up that will probably destroy the universe. And either way, the Doctor or the Tardis herself would certainly know if they had appeared inside someone else's Tardis.

Maybe some of the appearances of Splinter Clara in the Doctor's past lives were never actually Splinter Clara at all - maybe they were Future Dead Clara coming back to see her boo again. Of course those would have to be the times she didn't die at the end of it.

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[Timelord79 (he/him)]

If the diner were itself a Tardis, that would mean one Tardis had materialized inside another. I know that has happened, but only on extremely rare occasions and always it's been referred to as some kind of massive screw-up that will probably destroy the universe. And either way, the Doctor or the Tardis herself would certainly know if they had appeared inside someone else's Tardis.

Wouldn't it only cause a universe (or at least Belgium) destroying paradox if it was teh same TARDIS materializing in itself?
Another TARDIS should prove not much of a problem, right? Unless this was also somewhere established in classic Who?

The TARDIS itself would not necessarily notify the Doctor of it's location, for all we know she would welcome the opportunity to chat with the other one and exchange anecdotes about their thieves.

The Doctor might just be preoccupied and oblivious for centuries when he will suddenly go: "ooooh...!"

 

[Ithekro]

The Doctor and Master once materialized their TARDIS inside each others TARDIS. I don't recall if it was a major universe destroying problem. That and the Master had a spare TARDIS inside his own TARDIS.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

The Doctor and Master once materialized their TARDIS inside each others TARDIS. I don't recall if it was a major universe destroying problem. That and the Master had a spare TARDIS inside his own TARDIS.

Not universe destroying but not good. He tried that trick in Logopolis and I'm not sure if he did it in any other story.

 

[RoJoHen]

If there was a real diner it'd still be across the road where it used to be.

He says it's on the other side of the hill, not road. It may very well still be there.

 

[Mr Soak]

The weirdness is that it's not just 'across the road' - it's in a whole other state. The events of "Impossible Astronaut" were in Utah, this is clearly said to be in Nevada.

Maybe the hill straddles the border? Maybe Lake Silencio is just across the border in Utah and the diner is in Nevada?

 

[Redfern]

The weirdness is that it's not just 'across the road' - it's in a whole other state. The events of "Impossible Astronaut" were in Utah, this is clearly said to be in Nevada.

Maybe the hill straddles the border? Maybe Lake Silencio is just across the border in Utah and the diner is in Nevada?

Funny enough, that body of water (called Lake Powell in real life, the shores called Lone Rock Beach) does border another state; but it's Arizona rather than Nevada.

Sincerely,

Bill

 

[Mr Awe]

Oooh oooh was the hill where the lake was that the Doctor got shot? Was this the same diner where 11 "died?"

Well, a copy of it, anyway. Most likely the diner seen in The Impossible Astronaut is the real one which Clara copied for her TARDIS's chameleon circuit.

But yes, the two did use the same filming location, which is in fact a real diner just outside Cardiff.

It's actually right inside Cardiff. Got a milkshake there once! Didn't realize it was a TARDIS porch at the time!

Mr Awe

 

[Redfern]

Anybody have (and willing to display) some screen captures depicting Clara's TARDIS when it first materializes within the Cloisters? Though similar to the cylinder Hartnell's Doctor approached in "Name of the Doctor". There appeared to be differences. this "capsule" appeared to have the door "inset" raised a few inches rather than flush with the floor. Also, it appeared to have two narrow doors which were flat compared to the concentricalyy curved recessed surface of the earlier cylinder. (Some fans have speculated it "slid" into a "pocket" to one side.) One of the two doors on Clara's appeared to swing conventionally, but I'm not sure as I have only watched the episode once so far.

Sincerely,

Bill

 

[Samurai8472]

The diner thing could be something to bug Moffat about at the next Q&A.

 

[Captrek]

The Doctor and Master once materialized their TARDIS inside each others TARDIS. I don't recall if it was a major universe destroying problem. That and the Master had a spare TARDIS inside his own TARDIS.

Not universe destroying but not good. He tried that trick in Logopolis and I'm not sure if he did it in any other story.

Did it in Time:

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Also happens to a pre-"Lake" example of the bootstrap paradox.

 

[shapeshifter]

The Restaurant At The End Of The Universe is a TARDIS!