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"Hell Bent" Grade and discussion thread

Grading

  • Be a Doctor

    Votes: 58 43.9%
  • Gallifrey Stands

    Votes: 37 28.0%
  • A Hybrid

    Votes: 19 14.4%
  • Gallifrey falls

    Votes: 10 7.6%
  • Sent it to the end of time

    Votes: 8 6.1%

  • Total voters
    132
The Restaurant At The End Of The Universe is a TARDIS! :lol:

Given its decor and likely menu, I get more of a "Big Bang Burger Bar" vibe, which also a Douglas Adams creation (and promoted by the host of TRatEotU). ;)

Sincerely,

Bill
 
I think it was "The Time Monster" where the Third Doctor and Master got their TARDIS crossed.
 
I knew, heading into the episode, that it would be less than what SM was saying it would be.

When I think about the Doctor saving Clara's life, I have a recollection of a scene from an earlier episode, where there is a discussion about saving someone who has died and what that would mean to the universe, and whether the Doctor prioritizes a companion's life over strangers. I think it was in the Flood episodes.

For me, death has lost its shock value and, when a major character dies, I know that character will be resurrected later. Knowing this, and coming to believe that these characters' are nearly invinicible, I am having trouble with suspending my disbelief.
 
For me, death has lost its shock value and, when a major character dies, I know that character will be resurrected later. Knowing this, and coming to believe that these characters' are nearly invinicible, I am having trouble with suspending my disbelief.

But when it comes to main characters, they don't really ever come back. Rose did in Series 4, but the Doctor ultimately lost her again. Donna still can't remember him without dying. Amy and Pond got lost in the past.

Aside from Martha, the Doctor has effectively lost every single major companion he's had.

I actually rather like that they saved Clara in the end, at least for a while. It's probably the "happiest" ending we've seen so far.
 
Something just occurred to me about Clara's TARDIS. The outside looks like a Diner (chameleon circuit jammed), so the inside of the Diner is inside the TARDIS. Yet the control room is through the back door of the Diner...

So Clara and ME added a "porch"? The porch being the inside of the Diner?

Just because the diner facade has a door and exterior walls doesn't mean that the diner's interior is part of the actual inside of the TARDIS. A much simpler explanation is that the entire diner, interior included, is the "shell" created by the chameleon circuit. It's that back door that leads to the inside of the TARDIS, just like the door on the Doctor's police box.
 
Something just occurred to me about Clara's TARDIS. The outside looks like a Diner (chameleon circuit jammed), so the inside of the Diner is inside the TARDIS. Yet the control room is through the back door of the Diner...

So Clara and ME added a "porch"? The porch being the inside of the Diner?

Just because the diner facade has a door and exterior walls doesn't mean that the diner's interior is part of the actual inside of the TARDIS. A much simpler explanation is that the entire diner, interior included, is the "shell" created by the chameleon circuit. It's that back door that leads to the inside of the TARDIS, just like the door on the Doctor's police box.


Well in the old series there was two sets of doors, the outer doors and inner doors in the console room, in the old series one had to walk past the inner doors to get out so there was some kind of gap or room we never saw..

Actually in the very first series back in 1963 did they even have other rooms or was it just the console room?
 
The difference between the outer & inner doors is more likely a function of the desktop theme, since it has changed.

In the Hartnell era, there was no "foyer", you could see straight outside. Not sure about the Troughton era.

I wanna say Tom Baker's Victorian auxiliary control room exited into the foyer.
 
The difference between the outer & inner doors is more likely a function of the desktop theme, since it has changed.

In the Hartnell era, there was no "foyer", you could see straight outside. Not sure about the Troughton era.

I wanna say Tom Baker's Victorian auxiliary control room exited into the foyer.


I recall an episode with the first Romana where they had the camera in front of her walking out the console room into black then out the front doors... That's why I thought in those days there were outer and inner doors..
 
You're right on there, from Tom Baker thru McCoy, there was a space between the (2) sets of doors.

The TV movie, I can't remember, nor the Troughton or Pertwee era.

Here's a link to a pick from the Hartnell era, showing the outside scene from inside the TARDIS.
 
William Carlisle has uploaded his reaction.

We can expect his proper review of the episode to arrive around about 2100.

Who?????????????

Yeah. It's like hanging on for the Laurence Miles review, except in that case my question would be WHY??????????????

As for the Diner frontage, it doesn't bother me. My fanfic Time Lord usually just materialises his TARDIS as a door in a convenient wall that "...you're sure you've walked past every day, but you never pay much attention to it. Anyway, it's always been there. It must have.". Iris Wyldthyme's TARDIS looked like a London double-decker bus and could actually be driven as such.

The Doctor's TARDIS once materialised around a plane - I'm sure it could pretend to be one, if it worked properly, with the console room hidden in the cockpit.
 
William Carlisle has uploaded his reaction.

We can expect his proper review of the episode to arrive around about 2100.

Who?????????????

Yeah. It's like hanging on for the Laurence Miles review, except in that case my question would be WHY??????????????

As for the Diner frontage, it doesn't bother me. My fanfic Time Lord usually just materialises his TARDIS as a door in a convenient wall that "...you're sure you've walked past every day, but you never pay much attention to it. Anyway, it's always been there. It must have.". Iris Wyldthyme's TARDIS looked like a London double-decker bus and could actually be driven as such.

The Doctor's TARDIS once materialised around a plane - I'm sure it could pretend to be one, if it worked properly, with the console room hidden in the cockpit.


Actually it materialized inside a plane, and once inside the ship Jack had in The Doctor Dances I think. I know it was that ship Jack had in WW II London.

I just had a funny thought regarding Clara's TARDIS.. She now has an added "porch" in the form of the diner interior, I wonder if she will make souffles while in flight of if you travel with her she could fix you a latte.
 
Yes indeed! I absolutely loved it! I don't think there was anything I didn't like about this series. The series premier was absolutely brilliant, the doctor's return to Gallifrey was great and a nice way to wrap up Clara's story.

Will there be a female doctor sometime in the future? Well, thats anyone's guess. We'll just have to wait and see.
Can't wait for the Christmas special!:cool:
 
You're right on there, from Tom Baker thru McCoy, there was a space between the (2) sets of doors.

The TV movie, I can't remember, nor the Troughton or Pertwee era.

Well there's unfortunately not many of Troughton's stories still around thanks to BBC policy of wiping the tapes at the time apart from "Tomb of The Cybermen", "The Enemy Of The World" and "The Web Of Fear" (both recently rediscovered) and a few others including "The Invasion" which set up the whole concept of U.N.I.T.

Pertwee had everything from Autons, Silurians, Sontarans, to giant spiders on his run from 1970 to 1974. :cool:
 
You're right on there, from Tom Baker thru McCoy, there was a space between the (2) sets of doors.

Must have been from after Pyramids Of Mars. There's a scene were the Doctor takes Sarah ahead in time to and opens the doors to show the destruction that would be caused if Sutekh wasn't stopped.
 
You're right on there, from Tom Baker thru McCoy, there was a space between the (2) sets of doors.

Must have been from after Pyramids Of Mars. There's a scene were the Doctor takes Sarah ahead in time to and opens the doors to show the destruction that would be caused if Sutekh wasn't stopped.

In reality, it was just the BBC being sloppy about what they never imagined would be dissected to death 40-50 years later :guffaw:

But changing the console room every few years then introducing the idea of a desktop theme gives a nice out to say "oh, the Doctor changed that himself".

I haven't watched much classic stuff in decades, so I figure others here (like you) would have a better handle on when these things changed.
 
You're right on there, from Tom Baker thru McCoy, there was a space between the (2) sets of doors.

Must have been from after Pyramids Of Mars. There's a scene were the Doctor takes Sarah ahead in time to and opens the doors to show the destruction that would be caused if Sutekh wasn't stopped.

In reality, it was just the BBC being sloppy about what they never imagined would be dissected to death 40-50 years later :guffaw:

But changing the console room every few years then introducing the idea of a desktop theme gives a nice out to say "oh, the Doctor changed that himself".

I haven't watched much classic stuff in decades, so I figure others here (like you) would have a better handle on when these things changed.

Surely one would only dissect something which was already dead.
 
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