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Are you apprehensive about the new series?

I agree on audiences being used to different versions of the same property. For example, fans of Anime must be quite accustomed to having completely unrelated, disparate versions of the same series.

As far as a shared Universal monster franchise... you just know that ten years later they would simply reboot everything again.

And then there's Spider-Man... :rolleyes:

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In response to the title of this thread, no, I am not. :cool:

I enjoyed much of Prime, but I also enjoyed JJTrek. So I would be willing to give another variation of Trek a chance.:bolian:
 
Hey – I was reading another board, and I saw you quoted in a guy's sig box! Here's the quote:

"There is no "supposed to be." It's an adaptation, a word that literally means change. Why bother making a new version if it doesn't offer a fresh approach?" - Christopher L. Bennett​

I didn't recognize the quote, but I thought "Hey, I've had conversations with that guy!" So I thought that was neat. This might be old hat to you, professional writer and all. But it seems to me that it would be neat.
 
As far as a shared Universal monster franchise... you just know that ten years later they would simply reboot everything again.

Works for me.

The original cycle of Universal movies only ran from 1931 to 1948, then Hammer Films more or less picked up the torch around 1958 or so.

A new cycle every decade or so is not unreasonable.
 
the hypothetical of a new Trek series coming along and the possibility that it could contradict the events of the Litverse, invalidating it
That already happened back in 1987, when NextGen contradicted The Final Reflection and ruined the Klingons.
 
the hypothetical of a new Trek series coming along and the possibility that it could contradict the events of the Litverse, invalidating it
That already happened back in 1987, when NextGen contradicted The Final Reflection and ruined the Klingons.

That was separate; usually when someone uses the term "Litverse" nowadays, including Ryan's usage there, it's intended to mean specifically the interconnected expanded universe that was started with the DS9 Relaunch, not the sum total of all Treklit. The '80s continuity is considered to be distinct from the Litverse as it's incompatible with it continuity-wise.
 
Hadn't actually factored in the notion that the new TV series could potentially screw over Pocket Books' current stuff. On the other hand, very little info about said new series...

Still, say it did change everything, impact would be? The strands of TrekLit I'm interested in are:

DS9
Sometimes TNG
Seekers
Voyager - When it's Beyer
Rise of the Federation

New series is set for 2017 but plans are clearly underway for it now, this could be a rare opportunity if it was to change everything. Pocket Books are told it all changes 2017, that might be just enough time to put books in place to tie off the current era, on the strands needed so a Voyager finale from Beyer, Chris ties up Rise of the Federation, DS9? Well once Ascendance is done I'm not sure what's left. TNG is more standalone now anyway. Seekers? Can end easily.

So far, on the various reboots be it New Marvel, DC's New 52 or Star Wars, no one has actually managed a well-executed closedown that gives the old stuff a great send-off while clearing the board for the new. Be cool if this time, if it ends up being needed, Trek managed that.
 
In response to the title of this thread, no, I am not. :cool:

I enjoyed much of Prime, but I also enjoyed JJTrek. So I would be willing to give another variation of Trek a chance.:bolian:

To me, this is end of thread really. I love Star Trek. Some more than others, sure. But it's Star Trek, and I like it. If the new show is a third continuity..... Sweet. More potential for stories.
 
the hypothetical of a new Trek series coming along and the possibility that it could contradict the events of the Litverse, invalidating it
That already happened back in 1987, when NextGen contradicted The Final Reflection and ruined the Klingons.

That was separate; usually when someone uses the term "Litverse" nowadays, including Ryan's usage there, it's intended to mean specifically the interconnected expanded universe that was started with the DS9 Relaunch, not the sum total of all Treklit. The '80s continuity is considered to be distinct from the Litverse as it's incompatible with it continuity-wise.

Obviously no one is saying that the '80s continuity is part of the current Litverse. Rather, they're saying that it's a precedent for the scenario of an ongoing Pocket novel continuity being abandoned because of a new series. It's happened before, and fandom survived it. If there's a new Prime-universe series that invalidates the novelverse, then that continuity will become a "legacy" continuity like the '80s-verse, and a new one will take its place going forward. All this has happened before, etc.
 
Now that I've had a few days to mull it over, it seems like there are two most likely possibilities for the new series:

1) A story set in the Abramsverse about a crew and ship other than Kirk/Spock and the Enterprise, most likely in the TOS time period.

2) A total reboot which completely reimagines the ship, characters and settings of the series.

In both those scenarios, there's no reason the litverse can't simply continue as it has been. So, no, I'm not apprehensive.

On the other hand, if I'm wrong and the new series does contradict the litverse in some way, I hope that Pocket and the authors will have the chance to write some final great stories to close things off and say goodbye to the current characters and situations.
 
the hypothetical of a new Trek series coming along and the possibility that it could contradict the events of the Litverse, invalidating it
That already happened back in 1987, when NextGen contradicted The Final Reflection and ruined the Klingons.

That was separate; usually when someone uses the term "Litverse" nowadays, including Ryan's usage there, it's intended to mean specifically the interconnected expanded universe that was started with the DS9 Relaunch, not the sum total of all Treklit. The '80s continuity is considered to be distinct from the Litverse as it's incompatible with it continuity-wise.

Honestly, I'm not sure there's really a hard line in the sand there, or that the novel continuity was ever "officially" rebooted. If that's the case, I certainly never got that memo.

I still reference vintage Trek books--like "Yesterday's Son" or "Vulcan's Glory"--in my TOS novels when it seems appropriate.

Granted, there may be more of an effort these days to maintain some sort of inter-book consistency, particularly in the TNG-era novels, but that doesn't mean that everything before a particular date has been cast into the outer darkness.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I always assumed that the "Relaunch" label simply referred to stories that took place after the actual shows went off the air, not to some sort of sweeping DC Comics-style reboot.
 
Honestly, I'm not sure there's really a hard line in the sand there, or that the novel continuity was ever "officially" rebooted. If that's the case, I certainly never got that memo.

I still reference vintage Trek books--like "Yesterday's Son" or "Vulcan's Glory"--in my TOS novels when it seems appropriate.

Well, it was never more than a loose continuity in the first place, much vaguer and more intermittent than what we have today. It emerged gradually as authors started cross-referencing each other's books, and there were always books that didn't fit into it. But once TNG came along and Richard Arnold cracked down on having any continuity between books, there were no more references to the older stuff, and over time, TNG contradicted a great deal of what was in those books. These days, with no more Arnold restrictions, we're free in principle to reference older books, but a lot of them are incompatible with the modern TV continuity.

And it is rather left to individual authors to decide which books still "fit." For instance, I wouldn't reference Yesterday's Son because it ignores the animated series (it's two years after the end of season 3, yet they've never been back to the Guardian planet in the interval and Bob Wesley is still a commodore rather than a governor). And I always had my doubts about Vulcan's Glory's portrayal of the Pike era, with so many Vulcans in the crew and Scotty already being aboard and so on. But in cases where there isn't an overt contradiction with canon, it's sort of a judgment call.

And even in cases where books clearly don't fit with modern canon, authors have still referenced ideas and elements from them -- for instance, incorporating Duane's Rihannsu language into modern Romulan stories. It's like DC Comics incorporating Jimmy Olsen from radio and Harley Quinn from TV into the comics continuity -- it's still a separate version of the reality, but it can have specific characters or elements in common.


Granted, there may be more of an effort these days to maintain some sort of inter-book consistency, particularly in the TNG-era novels, but that doesn't mean that everything before a particular date has been cast into the outer darkness.

It's case by case. The oldest book I still count in my personal continuity is Howard Weinstein's The Covenant of the Crown, because nothing has ever come along to contradict it. But I tend to be pretty picky about what I count in the main continuity -- especially in the TOS era, since the finite amount of room in the 5YM is of concern to me. Sure, there's no need to limit the number of 5YM stories you can write, or enjoy as a reader, but they can't all fit in the same timeline as each other.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I always assumed that the "Relaunch" label simply referred to stories that took place after the actual shows went off the air, not to some sort of sweeping DC Comics-style reboot.

Well, Marco Palmieri intended it to refer specifically to the initial promotional push for the DS9 post-finale novels. After all, a launch is a single event, the beginning of a voyage, not the ongoing voyage itself. But the term got co-opted to refer to post-finale books in general.

And, yes, the new continuity emerged gradually, more because the authors and editors wanted to coordinate and cross-reference than because of a formally declared plan or policy.
 
And, yes, the new continuity emerged gradually, more because the authors and editors wanted to coordinate and cross-reference than because of a formally declared plan or policy.


Exactly. It's not like there was ever an "official" directive issued to us authors informing us that a brand-new continuity had been launched, or that there was now some formal policy decreeing which books were still in continuity and which ones weren't. (I like to think my older books still are.)

Like you said, it's all about judgment calls. I tend to forget about the Animated Series because, at the point I started writing Trek books, it was considered non-canon and we were discouraged from referencing it. I gather things have loosened up there, but old habits are hard to break. :)

So, yeah, one picks and chooses which bits from which older books you want to use. I "borrowed" Chief Engineer Caitlin Berry from VULCAN'S GLORY because I liked the character, but I "forgot" the business about a young Scotty serving under Pike because I was persuaded that it didn't make a lot of sense.

And I referenced "Yesterday's Son" in "No Time Like the Past" in part because Ann Crispin had recently passed away and I simply wanted to pay my respects to an old friend and colleague.
 
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Oh, I didn't mean there was any kind of formal announcement, just that a) the current interconnected novel continuity has its origins in the DS9 Relaunch as a phenomenon, and b) in the broad strokes the '80s continuity doesn't really gel as a whole with the current Litverse.

And also Christopher I guess the two of us read that post differently; I did take it as JimZipCode thinking people did think it had never happened before, but if he didn't then my apologies for misunderstanding, JimZipCode.
 
Oh, I didn't mean there was any kind of formal announcement, just that a) the current interconnected novel continuity has its origins in the DS9 Relaunch as a phenomenon, and b) in the broad strokes the '80s continuity doesn't really gel as a whole with the current Litverse..

It also depends a bit on what flavor of Trek you're talking about.

I'm not sure that "interconnected novel continuity" has much impact on the TOS books, which are still largely old-fashioned, standalone Trek adventures.

Which is mostly what I write, so I may be a tad biased here. :)
 
To be quite honest with you I think it's highly unlikely that this new series will be set in the prime universe, and if it is, it's even less likely that it will be any kind of direct continuation from the end of Voyager or that sort of timeline.

Most likely it'll be JJ-verse, second most likely is an all new universe, third most likely is prime universe but either 100's of years in the future or in the 2100's or something

And finally, least most likely it'll be in a time period which interferes with the literature.

I'd be absoloutley stunned if they set it in the 2380's prime universe with Patrick Stewart cameo'ing in the first episode as admiral picard.

id bet my house it wont be like that.
 
Most likely it'll be JJ-verse, second most likely is an all new universe, third most likely is prime universe but either 100's of years in the future or in the 2100's or something

And finally, least most likely it'll be in a time period which interferes with the literature.

Errm... As the writer of a novel series set in the 2160s, I feel constrained to point out that your second-last suggestion would definitely have an effect on the literature....

And a series set hundreds of years in the future could still affect the novel continuity. Remember how the 24th-century TNG contradicted what the 23rd-century books had established about the Klingons and Romulans? Let's suppose a new series comes along and definitively states that the Borg are still around in the 27th century or whatever. Or that Andorians have only two sexes. Or that the Tzenkethi look like tyrannosaurs with longer arms. Anything set in the Prime universe could contradict the books no matter what century it's set in.

But I agree, it seems more likely that it'll be either Abramsverse or something new. Kurtzman was part of the brain trust that decided to go with a reboot in the first place because of the freedom from accumulated continuity baggage. And that approach proved to be successful.
 
Oh, I didn't mean there was any kind of formal announcement, just that a) the current interconnected novel continuity has its origins in the DS9 Relaunch as a phenomenon, and b) in the broad strokes the '80s continuity doesn't really gel as a whole with the current Litverse..

It also depends a bit on what flavor of Trek you're talking about.

I'm not sure that "interconnected novel continuity" has much impact on the TOS books, which are still largely old-fashioned, standalone Trek adventures.

Which is mostly what I write, so I may be a tad biased here. :)

Well, yeah; the TOS books are good, but they aren't part of the Litverse. I don't mean that literally all books published since the DS9 Relaunch are part of an interconnected continuty that's called the Litverse, I mean that there's an interconnected continuity called the Litverse that started with the DS9 Relaunch.
 
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